Originally Posted By RoadTrip This is certainly a switch from the much more common chicks with d... Well, you know. ;-)
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Hey, let's think of the possibilities. Both mom and "mom" can breast feed meaning one mom doesn't get stuck with all the late night feedings.
Originally Posted By imadisneygal I was on a plane yesterday and missed out on this topic when it started here. I completely agree with Mele's post #2 because this situation definitely does not do the transgendered community justice. If he truly feels that he is a man, then there should be no longing to carry children. A lot of the time there is a lot of loathing, disgust or embarassment with one's body parts associated with being transgendered. Obviously I am in no position to judge this person, but one thing is certain. The person who is pregnant was born a woman and there is no reason to sensationalize it. He now takes no drugs to supress female hormones, etc. I hope they find happiness and peace with the new baby, but be truthful in the process.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Nancy, the mother of two grown daughters from a previous marriage, says the effects of endometriosis left her unable to have more children. "[Doctors] removed my womb," she says.<< So the man with a uterus is married to a woman with no uterus. That much is clear, anyway.
Originally Posted By RC Collins DAR: >>I don't know what to say.<< I do. That is not a man. That is a woman who had her breasts surgically mutilated, took male hormones, and now pretends to be a man. She and her female partner use donated sperm in an attempt to intentionally bring a child into a situation where there is one woman who is screwed up enough to have herself mutilated for no good reason, and another woman who is attracted to such a woman. Lovely. The emperor has no Y chromosome. mele: >>The more I watched them on tv, the less "odd" it seemed. We need to see people who are different from ourselves.<< Yeah, that’s fine when we’re talking about people who seem odd to us because they live in a different part of the world and dress and eat differently than we do. But it is not a good thing when it comes to people who do things that are destructive or harmful to a child. BlueDevilSF: >>And thankfully your opinion on this doesn't really mean squat.<< There are people who chose to go public with what they are doing. So everyone is free to comment on it, and you are free to disagree with those comments. DAR: >>Maybe Oprah wanted to see if she could get Steadman pregnant.<< She hasn’t married that guy, right? Something tells me that she would if he made more money than she did. Even a woman as rich as Oprah wants a man who earns more than her, apparently. Based on that, I doubt she’d like to risk paying child support to Steadman. She apparently doesn’t want to risk paying alimony to him. By the way. Donating sperm is a bad idea. Very bad. If you have any, don’t do it. Unless you are perfectly fine with the idea of 1) you or one of your offspring “falling in love†with a long-lost close relative twenty years down the line (yes, this has happened), and 2) being on the hook for child support. Yes, sperm donors have been hit up for child support, and the courts have sided with “the best interest of the child†and have granted it.
Originally Posted By mele <<Something tells me that she would if he made more money than she did.>> Just cos you listen to that voice, we shouldn't have to. Geesh.
Originally Posted By Ursula All I can say is that I disagree with RC Collins and let it go. I've typed up a whole thing, but I fear it won't do any good. Perhaps they should read up on transgendered people?
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains I am not sure why all the fuss - Why Oprah or even the couple for that matter, felt the need to make this a big public event. If she wanted to live as a man that is fine - but if she truely wanted to be a man completely - why did she keep the girl plumbing? This seems much more Maury than an Oprah topic.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<This seems much more Maury than an Oprah topic.>> Naw... to get on Maury they'd have to be cousins too.
Originally Posted By Ursula Yeah, I don't understand why the need to keep the girl parts when it wanted to be a man, either. Maybe it is too expensive? Maybe too "final?" Maybe because they needed to just appear to be a man on the outside?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Maybe it is too expensive? Maybe too "final?" Maybe because they needed to just appear to be a man on the outside?>> Maybe he was afraid that if he got one of "those" it would start trying to do all his thinking for him as happens with most men. ;-)
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Typically, sex-reassignment happens in stages. It's possible this person decided to become a man, then when he discovered his wife was unable to have more children, decided to keep the uterus so that he could do this. I'm not clear on this from the stories I've read.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains You know I really don't care if she wanted to be a man or why she didn't finish the procedure - I just find it creepy that they felt the need to make it all so public!! And shame on Oprah for giving them the platform to do so - Did they go on Oprah just to for the *first man to give birth* title - It seems like all they have done is made a mockery out of all of this - I truely feel for those who are born in the wrong bodies - for them life must be hell - but to start going through a change like this to become a man why then would you want to give birth - from what I have read and heard about (from people who have gone through this) if you start this procedure it's because you don't relate to the body you are born in and want really nothing to do with being that gender - then why if you are woman and feel your true identity is male, would you decide you still want to give birth. They could have adopted -
Originally Posted By RC Collins >>I truely feel for those who are born in the wrong bodies<< I feel for them, too - but do not believe they were "born in the wrong body". There is something going on with their brain and/or mind.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains <but do not believe they were "born in the wrong body". There is something going on with their brain and/or mind.> Exactly their brain tells them it's the wrong body!!
Originally Posted By RC Collins Sorry. I don’t buy that. There are people who really feel like they should cut off their perfectly healthy limbs, too. Do you think that is okay, or only cutting off mammary glands and genitals that are perfectly healthy? Why is one different from the other? Just because it involves sexuality and gender? I can understand that someone is attracted to someone of the same sex. Fine. (No, I’m not equating that with transgenderism, even though they often lobby together.) But just because someone chooses to dress inappropriately, or mutilate one's body, or have hormones injected unnecessarily into one's body does NOT mean I have to call a man a woman, or vice-versa. If I tell you that I feel like the President of the United States (scary thought!) or seven feet tall, does that mean you should go along with my delusion?
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains ^^ We have believe the man living in the white house for this long... :X
