Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I just looked at my post and let me clarify that I'm referring to the opponents of gay marriage.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan At the heart of the anti-gay marriage argument is a sometimes unspoken concept. It's that by recognizing gay marriage, somehow more children will choose to be gay when they grow up. Of course, you have someone like Newt Gingrich declaring that he is all for "defending" traditional marriage, even though he was unable to live up to his marriage vows, twice. And there are endless examples of people making an absolute mockery of the concept of marriage, yet they enjoy rights that most gay couple can only dream of.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 There is also no statistical data that shows kids in gay parent households grow up to be gay. It's just one of those old falsehoods that gay people "convert" others. It's just stupid.
Originally Posted By u k fan I think in part for those that are concerned about turning kids gay allowing gay marriage is legitimising being gay and telling them that it's OK. It's bull of course, but I think there's an element of that.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<It looks like you purposely left out children to suit your argument.>> I didn't leave it out to suit my argument. I didn't mention children because they were part and parcel of the whole 'merging of property and wealth' baggage with marriage. Wives and kids were no better than chattel back then, and you know it. Henry the VIII had more children outside of marriage than he did 'officially' with his wives. But the bastards, in the legal sense, were not recognized as offspring and therefore, not considered eligible to inherit the throne or wealth of the Tudor family. Marriage wasn't necessary in order to create kids, but the marriage was necessary for those kids to inherit their father's property. Such is not the case today. Doesn't matter if you were born outside wedlock -- if you're a blood relative, you're family. And as such, you're eligible to inherit the assets, unless stipulated otherwise in a will or trust. This is the basis of Ratatouille's plot with Linguini and his famous dad. But that storyline wouldn't have been possible before modern times.
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Originally Posted By melekalikimaka <<There is also no statistical data that shows kids in gay parent households grow up to be gay. It's just one of those old falsehoods that gay people "convert" others. It's just stupid.>> I wonder what horrible things all those straight parents did to make those gay kids. They also use the argument that being homosexual isn't natural and is only a choice. They forget the hundred or so species that exhibit homosexual behavior. I hate immoral animals, don't you?
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "I wonder what horrible things all those straight parents did to make those gay kids." Exactly! I don't think that occurs to them when they are making their argument though. Gay people had to come from somewhere, so...logically, straight parents make gay kids, right? That's the problem, there isn't any logic to it. It's all knee-jerk reaction and emotional. It's difficult to argue with somebody who isn't being rational.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Gay people had to come from somewhere, so...logically, straight parents make gay kids, right? << It's this permissive, sinful society of ours that makes kids gay, don'tcha know. They see gay characters on TV and decide to become gay. It's why my mother is a car.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Comedic reference point for anyone under the age of 50. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kz3hfJweE0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...3hfJweE0</a>
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>A black comedian here in the UK does a routine about how he was shocked to find a brand of cheese in Australia called "Coon" and when he questioned people on it the replied that 'It's just a name'.<< Funny you should mention that ... I've now been introduced to the cheese, here in Australia, and learned it was developed by creator - Edward Coon. Yeah! A NAME! Not the racial slur some activists try to draw.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka I have friends who have the last name of 'Coon'. The dad's initials were R. A. It's not the greatest of surnames to be sure. ;-)
Originally Posted By oc_dean Another Coon not to be 'misunderstood' <a href="http://cliqueclack.com/tv/2009/03/19/eric-cartman-is-the-coon-mysterion-is-every-other-kid-in-south-park/" target="_blank">http://cliqueclack.com/tv/2009...th-park/</a>
Originally Posted By oc_dean I'm a big Trey Parker and Matt Stone fan ... I have to throw this in while I'm on the subject of The Coon: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_fmyjzE2IFw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?f...yjzE2IFw</a>#! okay .. back on topic..............
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle Ugh, this article is ridiculous. My sister is "married" (quotation marks due to non-legal status) to a woman, and I can tell you it's a far healthier marriage than her previous, legal marriage to an abusive, controlling man. (They've also taken in two beautiful foster kids whom they hope to adopt.) I know plenty of gay couples who want to have kids, and plenty of straight (married) couples who don't, so I really don't see how the "kid" issue comes into marriage. >>First of all .. I can't get passed the British/Australian spelling of "recognised" ;-)<< Don't you live in Australia, oc_dean?
Originally Posted By oc_dean ^^^^ I can't get use to saying the date, their way ... "It's the 18th of the 12th of 2011." Drives me up the wall. I MUCH prefer ... "it's December 18th, 2011." ;-) So ... I recongniZe ... that I will authoriZe the style I'm use to. But, in professional situations, I will recogniSe Australians way with it.
Originally Posted By irishfan Recognise spelled with with a Z??? Next you'll be telling Z is pronounced Zeee and not Zed!
Originally Posted By oc_dean ^^^ oh ... I've been having a lot of fun debates between "Zee" and "Zed". But at least Australians & Brits know you don't pronounce the rock band ZZ Top their way.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I can make an entire topic on differences between Australia and America - for instance - a Cantaloupe melon .. is called Rock Melon. We Americans use the term "Entree" for our main meal - which is really stupid - Entree is French for "entrance" .. as in entrance-meal, or First Course. Australia uses it properly. Yet ... we make proper use of French word - Fillét .. but Australian say Fillet (fillit). It goes on .. and on. I'll save the rest for a different topic.
