Originally Posted By TDR_Fan There's no need to. They can go ahead and think that their precious hotels are inside the park even when they're not.
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan <<You had better tell Disney that as they believe that both hotels sit within the park.>> Do you have any proof of this, as I have yet to see an official press release stating that they are located inside the park. On the contrary, the press release given by the OLC states that the MiraCosta is the first hotel to be built inside a Disney park and is an "unique" aspect of Tokyo DisneySea.
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan EDIT: Sorry my mistake. Please ignore that last post, as I misread the title. It seems that the MiraCosta is the first hotel inside a Disney park in Japan. But interestingly enough, the Grand Californian press release states that it is the first hotel located inside a Diseny park, completely ignoring the Disneyland Hotel in Paris.
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara This is a truly nonsensical discussion--it doesn't matter how "deep" inside the park a hotel is, Disney considers both the Disneyland Hotel in Paris and the Grand Californian Hotel in Anaheim to be inside their respective parks. End of story.
Originally Posted By leemac <<This is a truly nonsensical discussion>> Welcome to our Tokyo boards. For fun you should look up the Journey to the Center of the Earth thread from earlier in the year. It is a absolute doozy.
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan You're one to talk leemac. Need I bring up your ridiculous statement about DCA being better than TDS? It doesn't matter how "real" TDS is; the majority of people still think it is the best second gate. And Mara, I already accepted the fact that all three are located inside their respective parks; I was just curious about why it's so ambiguous for the Grand Californian and the Disneyland Hotel.
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara If it's anything like the thread on MiceChat, in which TDR_FAN defended Journey to the Center of the Earth against every other E-ticket on the planet, no thanks.
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan I don't want to argue with you Mara, but why the sudden dislike towards me? I was simply stating my own opinion, very much like how everybody else does. Sure I may feel strongly about a specific topic, but I've never once attacked anybody else.
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara I don't think Tokyo DisneySea is the best second gate in the world--that honor still rightly belongs to Epcot, which takes a good day and a half to two days to fully do, while Tokyo DisneySea can be done in a day (there just aren't that many rides). And please spare me the line about how beautiful DisneySea is and all you need to do is walk around and look at everything because it's all so intoxicating. Most people don't wander around theme parks just to look around. They want an ABUNDANCE of rides and attractions. Tokyo DisneySea is a beautiful park, and it has great attractions, but it's still a young park and needs more attractions (which is why the Japanese still flock to Disneyland and leave DisneySea wanting for customers on many days).
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan <<What are you going to compare DisneySea to? DCA? No Walt Disney Studios Paris? NO Epcot? Possibly. Animal Kingdom? No Disney-MGM Studio? No The only possible comparison is Epcot, which doesn't have a lot of rides, either. Tokyo DisneySea kicks Epcots ***!>> You seem to be contradicting yourself as this was the exact thing you said when asked about the best second gate. <a href="http://www.micechat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37814" target="_blank">http://www.micechat.com/forums /showthread.php?t=37814</a>
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan And like you said, Epcot doesn't have a lot of rides either. Most of time, you are just walking around taking in atmosphere and dining, which is exactly what you do at Tokyo DisneySea. So your claim that Epcot can last a good two days can also be used to DisneySea's sake. If you disregard atmosphere and beauty as a factor, Epcot is really only a one day park as well.
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara Dislike you? I don't even know you! But you are obsessed with minutia in the face of the facts, and sometimes in the face of the big picture. Epcot does have an abundance of rides and attractions, or don't you consider the World Showcase pavillions to be attractions? I do. But the discussion is really pointless because it's just an opinion, and we all have opinions. If more Japanese felt the way you do about DisneySea then the place would be packed every day ... and it's simply not.
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan But do you not do the same thing at World Showcase, as you do at Tokyo DisneySea? World Showcase is really one big exhibit for exploring, as is DisneySea. No offence or anything, but I find some of your current opinions very hypocritical to what you have said in the past on MiceChat.
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan I apologize Mara, but I just don't understand why you are going against your past statements. You said that Tokyo DisneySea was the best second gate a few months ago, but contradict your own opinions by saying Epcot is better now (you even said that TDS kicked Epcot's ***). It almost feels like you're a different person.
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara Having just visited Walt Disney World in November (after having been to Tokyo DisneySea at the end of September), I have reconsidered my opinion. This is the benefite of being middle-aged: changing your mind isn't such a big deal. There is so much more to do at Epcot than Tokyo DisneySea that this fact, along with Epcot's sheer size and scope, and the fact that it was the first second gate, AND created by many of the same people who created Disneyland, makes it the premier second gate. As far as just walking around and looking, there is plenty of great detail, theming, and architecture at DisneySea, but it's for the obsessive, not the general park-goer. The general park-goer will find much more to do at Epcot, and the World Showcase pavillions offer myriad things to see and do, even if only two of them have rides, three of them have movies, and one of them has an AA show (American Adventure) that is really an old-fashioned (in a good way) Disney showpiece.
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan So was this your first trip to Epcot in a while? Anyways, glad you had fun. I respect your opinion now that I know why you changed your mind. But just my two cents here. I visited Epcot last year and had a lot of fun, especially since I'm the kind of person who prefers theming over rides. But you can't ignore the fact that it is lackluster when it comes to attractions. Soarin' is a direct clone of DCA's, Mission Space is a glorified simulator, and Test Track has nothing on JttCotE. World Showcase (my favorite part of the park) makes up for it though. Like I said, I respect your opinion but I still feel that Tokyo DisneySea is the best second gate simply because it combines exceptional beauty (I feel it is the world's most beautiful theme park) with, in my opinion, many outstanding E-tickets. I feel that the "attractions" person will have a lot more fun at Tokyo DisneySea than at Epcot, but you are right; there is probably more to do at Epcot for the general park guest though I can easily spend 2-3 days at DisneySea too .
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara I do not discount rides or attractions simply because they exist in another location. "Soarin'" is one of the best things ever created by WDI and it's a superb ride--one of the best in all four parks in Walt Disney World. It's far better than "Stormrider" at DisneySea, its only near-equivalent. And I don't discount the Indy ride in DisneySea because it also happens to be in Anaheim. But, the version in Tokyo is much weaker for reasons I've stated on MiceChat. "Soarin'" is identical in both of its current locations. Ditto for "Mickey's Philharmagic" in both Orlando and Hong Kong--I don't take away points from Hong Kong Disneyland just because it has an attraction that's identical to an already existing attraction in Orlando. It's still a KILLER 4-D film and audiences love it (you can tell by the amount of excited chatter, and the general reaction of the audience in both countries). I judge each park entirely on its own merits, by the mix of rides and attractions it has within its perimeter.
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan I do not think you can compare Soarin' and StormRider because for one, Soarin' is not a simulator attraction. I feel the exact opposite about Indy; I think DisneySea's version is far more elaborate and grander. But I don't want to get into that, so let's just say that they're equal to compromise. Anyways, my point was that each park should have its own unique E-tickets and while Soarin' is an excellent attraction, the original version is within an hour's drive for me. So I wasn't all that excited when I actually visited Epcot because there wasn't really anything new and exciting to ride. Even Indy at DisneySea has a different twist to it, and provides a fresh new experience. DisneySea has the best selection of paramount E-tickets. In addition to the unique JttCotE, it also has Indy and ToT in the E-ticket thrill ride category. Far better than anything at Epcot in my opinion, including Soarin'.
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara "Soarin'" is not a simulator? What do you think you're doing on that bench hanging up in the air? You're moving in coordination with the film you're watching, and having scents blown into the room based on what's on the screen. Of course it's a simulator, specifically a simulator of a hang-glider. Perhaps you're confused because it's a gentle rather than violent ride. You should also note that the lines for Soarin both in Orlando and Anaheim are many times the length of the line for Stormrider in DisneySea! How you could possibly think that a version of the Indy ride that omits numerous aspects of the original and adds little that's new in exchange is superior is a mystery.
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan I think Soarin' is not a simulator because you do not sit in a theatre. It's really more of a compliment than a critique, so I don't know why you're getting so defensive. Regarding Indy, I do not think you would want me to type up the huge paragraph over why the TDS version is superior . I do love the original very much (especially the Chamber of Destiny), but the TDS version makes up for the loss of music and pyro in many ways. Just give me the go ahead, and I'll start on the paragraph =). Otherwise, we'll just have to agree to disagree and compromise that they're equal (which many people have done already). P.S- Mara is a god, not a goddess. It says so in Indy's journal, located by the mural of Mara. I used to be a huge fan of Disneyland's Indy, and have memorized every specific detail about the attraction, so I'm not biased towards the TDS version in any way.
