Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Imagine somewhere less humid about 100 times hotter and last infinitely longer.<< Well, so long as it's a dry heat...
Originally Posted By Ursula <For some reason libs have no problem killing an innocent baby, yet go into full blown nutcase protest mode to protect a vile murderer from being executed.> No, not all of the "libs" do, you "con" man, you. You are so wrong I just can't stand hearing you talk any more. I am for early-term abortion and I am for the death penalty. Go figure! Nutcase, indeed.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "I'm no fan of abortion, but there's just too many consequences of outlawing it: the psychological trauma of rape victims being forced to keep a child, the abuse (i.e. drugs & alcohol) a pregnant mom might inflict on her unborn baby ("I don't want it, so I don't care what I do while pregnant"), and so many others." Yes, I just wonder how many more newborns will be left in dumpsters or put in trash bags and tossed in lakes and rivers. I just can't imagine how these kinds of things will escalate now that abortion is banned. The illegal alternatives are so much more scary and life threatening than legal abortions, no matter if you agree with it or not. Personally, I am pro-choice, but think that there should be some strict guidelines in place to prevent abortions being used as birth control. I strongly disagree with a complete ban though!
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Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "Yes, I just wonder how many more newborns will be left in dumpsters or put in trash bags and tossed in lakes and rivers. I just can't imagine how these kinds of things will escalate now that abortion is banned.' It has been banned yet in South Dakota. It is scheduled to go into effect later, but court challenges will see that it doesn't.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "It has been banned yet" KING OF THE TYPOS. It hasn't been banned yet
Originally Posted By Beaumandy You can't talk about abortion and ignore late term versions. It's a fact of life that these late term abortions happen daily, and many democrats are very clear they want a woman to have a right up until the second the baby is born to kill the child. But should abotion be banned?? No, I don't think it should and I guess I break from the far right on this.
Originally Posted By barboy "If this ever gets to the Supreme Court it will get struck faster than you can say sheer stupidity." I'm not so sure considering the make-up of the Supremes- maybe yes, maybe no. And if the Court hears this potential case and ultimately strikes it down they might still surprise us on another abortion case with a differnt issue at hand by upholding sweeping state restrictions. This is no longer the '60's and '70's and the liberal Warrens are extinct(note: liberal in this context is not meant to be a pejorative BEAU-like definition but a political one). Even the Burger holdovers have been swept away with time(except for Stevens who was appointed after the Roe decision and Scalia had very little or no overlap). This is a very different court now in a very different politcal climate. I know that the Judiciary is supposed to steer clear from the political and social winds but justices are humans with likes, dislikes, opinions, feelings and biases too. It will be very interesting to see what will become of abortion rights in the near future.
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Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "I'm not so sure considering the make-up of the Supremes- maybe yes, maybe no." I'm talking about this specific bill that makes rape and incest victims carry the babies ot full term. No court will alow that. However, I do understand where you're going with the rest of your post. Another less draconian test case might stand a chance, but by my calculations, I think the Supremes are still one vote away from overturning Roe. Yes for overturning, no for upholding it Scalia-yes Thomas-yes Alito-yes Souter-no Roberts-no Ginsburg-no Breyer-no Stevens-no Kennedy-yes (he might be a no) Roberts is not the automatic the right thinks he is. Kennedy might actually vote to uphold, given some past rulings, making it a 6-3 decision to uphold.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy STPH, as far as supporting late term abortion goes.. NARAL, the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, the National Abortion Federation, and other major pro-abortion groups are all donate HUGE cash to the DEMOCRAT party. These groups run the dems at this point along with your buddies at Moveon.org, code pink and the other Bush needs to be impeached groups.
Originally Posted By bboisvert So, back to South Dakota. Now that these mothers, who are usually poorer and in the social service system already, cannot legally have an abortion, what is the state prepared to do to handle the influx of social service cases that will invariably arise. From social workers, to food stamps, to women's shelters, to government clinics and hospitals, this will have an economic impact on that state. An anti-abortion law is not a deterrent. Just because abortion is illegal doesn't mean that there will be no unwanted pregnancies. In fact, this could actually end up costing the state more than if they would have not passed the law.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "STPH, as far" Stop. If you have nothing relevant to say, don't waste our time.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>So, back to South Dakota. Now that these mothers, who are usually poorer and in the social service system already, cannot legally have an abortion, what is the state prepared to do to handle the influx of social service cases that will invariably arise. From social workers, to food stamps, to women's shelters, to government clinics and hospitals, this will have an economic impact on that state. An anti-abortion law is not a deterrent. Just because abortion is illegal doesn't mean that there will be no unwanted pregnancies. In fact, this could actually end up costing the state more than if they would have not passed the law.<< This is the hypocrisy of Republicanism. They are "pro-life" until the baby is born. After that, it becomes, "why should *IiiiiiiiIIIIIIiiiiiii* have to pay for some slut's offspring?"
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Originally Posted By Bob Benchley "I see, your back to ignoring the fact that you made a statement, were shown to be wrong once again, and then declared the conversation over." What I have observed, sir, is that you do have a tendency to take threads off topic and then argue against points brought up by no one but you. I would offer to you that you're doing it again, thus making for less than friendly posts directed your way. Please give it some consideration.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Bob, with all due respect, STPH made a statement that no democrats support late term abortion. I gave him the democrat groups that do support late term aborition, groups that give millions of dollars to the DNC. At that point he said the conversation was over because I had nothing to say. Classic STPH and his Bush derangment syndrome.
Originally Posted By mrichmondj Has anyone here read Freakonomics? Very interesting analysis of how the legaization of abortion can be directly linked to the dramatic reduction in crime rates nationwide that started in the late '90s. One of those unintended consequences, I guess.
Originally Posted By Bob Benchley "Bob, with all due respect, STPH made a statement that no democrats support late term abortion." With all due respect, I don't see it. I do see this: "No one, except him, has brought up late term abortions, much less advocating for them. Matter of fact, I don't believe anyone here ever has, except for saving the mother's life. But, ever since he brought it up, that's what has dominated the talk here." Looks to me as if he was talking about posters here, not Democrats. He would be right.
