Originally Posted By barboy ///Why not? Do you feel this way because you're against abortion, so you don't want public money (which includes your taxe dollars) paying for it?/// Yes, that is what I believe. ///Can I request the same of the death penalty?/// Why yes you can. I am very much against the practice also(in almost every case imaginable.... of US executions I might agree with less than 1 out of every 500). ///Or how about the war in Iraq - I'm against that, so should it all be privately funded?/// ...sounds much better to me
Originally Posted By barboy OK I am not getting a straight answer on this "morning after pill" after looking around.....so much contradicting info out there. Planned Parenthood says one thing and the Catholic Church says another---- each organization can not be fully trusted. Concerning "morning after' PP says nothing about it being a form of abortion but the Catholic Church says in ***some*** cases the pill can disrupt a fertilized egg..... sounds like an extremely early form abortion to me. I'll look into this further.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<...sounds much better to me>> My point was that sometimes public money is going to be spent on things that I don't agree with - it's just a fact of life. So why get so bent out of shape about this one issue? I'm not a fan of abortions, but I understand that sometimes these things are necessary, so why should it matter if it's paid for by public money or not? It's going to happen either way, no matter whose paying for it.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 The morning after pill is a triple sized dose of a birth contorl pill...If this is cinsidered aborttion then all bc would be. Since rape kits also include the swabs and dna kits that can help identify a rapist and determine if there are any STDs that need to be treated, it is really terrible for the city to charge the victims for this. It is absolutly wrong to force women to pay the city for the tests that can help solve her case and put her attacker away. Sarah Palin may not have specifically approved this but as mayor she would have seen the sherrif department's budget and seen this program. In a lot of cities, mayors have to sign off on those budgets. She could have stopped this if she had wanted to. Instead, the Alaska legislature passed a bill outlawing the practice, specifically citing Wasilla and one other town as the reason the law was necessary.
Originally Posted By barboy I do see what you're saying plpeters70..... there's really no practical way to give every taxpayer 'line item veto' power. But I have a problem contributing to things that I find abominable like abortion, state killing(death penalty) and invading sovereign nations without cause. And that is why year after year I practice 'tax avoidance' as much as possible.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 Wow...sorry about the spelling in that last post...it is obviously too early for me to be typing.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Rape kits do not contain any pills or medicines. They are purely for evidence gathering. Doctors can prescribe medicines that can prevent STDs or pregnancy, but those meds would come from the pharmacy and not from the kit itself. Palin charged rape victims for evidence collection. There were no meds in the Wasila kits. She charged about $1200 each for the kits until the Democratic governor of Alaska made it illegal to do so. I've used these kits a couple of times, and there are a dozen of them sitting in a locked cabinet about fifty feet away from me in my office.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***the Catholic Church says in ***some*** cases the pill can disrupt a fertilized egg..... sounds like an extremely early form abortion to me.*** When I'm looking for scientific facts and information, I always think to myself "the Catholic Church will know". <--rolls eyes.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***But I have a problem contributing to things that I find abominable like abortion*** Do you really consider abortions done for the benefit of a rape victim "abominable"?
Originally Posted By barboy Well yes; why would the condition/circumstance of mom change my mind as to what happens to a fertilized egg/fetus/baby/child/spirit or however one wants to label. Abortion on demand should be be available(those who keep wanting it banned except in cases of rape/incest have not thought about fair application). But I want no part of abortions and I don't want any public money funding them.
Originally Posted By barboy ///When I'm looking for scientific facts and information, I always think to myself "the Catholic Church will know". <--rolls eyes./// You know something X the abortion issue is far greater than "scientific facts" as you say. I want nothing to do with Catholicism nor Planned Parenthood but each has something to say about abortion and maybe they could shed some light on the complex issue even if they are both extremely biased. It doesn't mean I want to donate to PP or join the Catholic Church because I won't ever.
Originally Posted By Mr X I wouldn't be going to Planned Parenthood if I was looking for facts, either. Point being, the Catholic Church has a clear agenda as far as this is concerned, and taking ANYTHING they write regarding abortions, science, medicines, and medical procedures seriously is foolish. Just ask Galileo. ;p
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 ///The thing is, you cannot hold a major, Governor, or President accountable for every little thing that their subordinates do./// Yes we can! (And yes we should).<< So President Obama has thousands of people working for him, when one of them screw up, I can hold President Obama accountable for it? I am going to hold you to this....
Originally Posted By Mr X It already occured, William. Remember the NYC Air Force One flyover? The White House took responsibility, and the guy responsible was fired.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Friends of mine had an abortion because of a severe fetal anomaly. The fetus was developing without a brain. If it had survived to birth, it wouldn't have lasted more than a month or two. It was a late second term procedure, and took place in a public university hospital. Because of the mother's age and past medical history she was at significant risk for medical problems had she carried it to full term. When I hear the arguments surrounding abortion I think of this case in particular. Nothing would have been gained by forcing the woman to carry the fetus to term. And the medical care that would have been required to keep the infant alive would have cost a fortune to the family and the insurance companies. There's not a lot of hope for a fetus that is developing without a brain. None at all. It isn't likely to survive more than a few months after birth. (And as my friend said, "And even if she did somehow survive to adulthood she would probably vote Republican. ")
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin I was wondering how conservatives were born. Thanks for the explanation!
Originally Posted By mele I thought republicans were born with brains, but the brains were just in their anal cavity.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Let's qualify that- not all REpublicans are like that, most aren't. It's just that the ones who seem to have taken it over right now make them all seem that way.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Abortion on demand should be be available(those who keep wanting it banned except in cases of rape/incest have not thought about fair application). But I want no part of abortions and I don't want any public money funding them.<< William said something similar in the other thread, and I can appreciate this feeling on the matter. I said there, and say again here, that this is probably about the best compromise solution on this issue we'll likely arrive at. Of course, it won't make people on the outer edges of this controversy happy, but for the majority in the middle it pretty much works.
Originally Posted By ecdc Works for me. If a public plan offered free birth control and free adoption services, I see no reason why abortion should be available, unless a doctor signs off on danger to the mother or issues like Tom outlined above. It won't be perfect. It won't cover all the tough scenarios that can arise. But reasonable people can come to an agreement. Which pretty much means eliminating the Republican party from the discussion these days. But the rest of us normal, sane people can come to an agreement.
