Originally Posted By ChurroMonster RoadTrip: "The "wimp" comment is not specifically directed at those who support the scanning. It is a general comment about how we have come to expect the government to protect us from EVERYTHING." Isn't it ironic then that it was our government's actions that have put us in this danger? Doesn't anyone ask just why there are people out there who hate us enough to kills us? "Frankly, I think if WWII happened today Germany would win. All the Americans would be too afraid to fight." I don't know. An awful lot of Americans enlisted just after 9/11. Americans can still be motivated to go to war if the moment is right. Nothing like our mass enlistments for WWII however. The Soviet Union may have ended up beating Germany without our help. Japan is another matter though.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///If you lived here, and/or saw it happen live, and/or knew people who died/// That is pretty much what I meant by "covered with building dust or looking for their family and friends in the rubble". I can safely say that if I were one of them then I would be missing some work too. I knew two church mates out here on the West Coast who had no connection to 9/11 that decided to hang in a state fear, depression and defeat for a few months. One refused to ride BART(Bay Area's version of NY subway) to work in San Francisco for a spell. That is the kind of weakness I'm really talking about.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///An awful lot of Americans enlisted just after 9/11./// I can't give you that one. Those enlistees knew damn well that they were not coming home in a bodybag due to the US's extremely powerful military/weaponry and intelligence against a pitiful Iraqi and Afghan army. Carpet bombing an area and then waltzing right in the Mid. East in the early 2000's is far less perilous than storming a beach head in the pacific or advancing through French hedgerows in 1944.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "That is the kind of weakness I'm really talking about." Well then you should have said so, instead of applying the label to NY'ers who were understandably shaken for a time, even if they weren't literally covered with dust.
Originally Posted By barboy2 But that same weakness can apply to New Yorkers also. I don't see why someone in the Bronx or Coney who was not connected to the event had to act all defeated and scared or let it affect them to the point of missing work.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Then I don't know if I can explain it to you. I made it a personal point to go back right away, but I know others who needed a little more time. And they weren't "weak" either.
Originally Posted By mele My apologies if this has been posted already...(or if you can't see it)... <a href="http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=120411598022505&id=722810661" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/permal...22810661</a>#!/album.php?aid=2096726&id=1435161078&fbid=1719577075989
Originally Posted By Labuda Here's the link from April, but shorter: <a href="http://on.fb.me/f4y8Yy" target="_blank">http://on.fb.me/f4y8Yy</a>
Originally Posted By DAR So I saw this video the other day where this hot female TSA employee personally inspected a male passenger in private. Something tells me this isn't what really happens.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper For all of the pre Thanksgiving controversy I haven't heard many, if any, complaints of long lines, embarassing searches, etc. Either the TSA scaled back what they were planning to do or people just weren't that put off about the entire situation. One way to limit some of the aggravation for travelers is to bring back profiling. Of course, that opens up another can of worms. I am simply not put off by walking through a scanner or being pat down. I certainly don't think my rights are being infringed by doing so. I've got a bigger problem with a government entity banning toys at fast food establishments...and I don't even like fast food.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Either the TSA scaled back what they were planning to do or people just weren't that put off about the entire situation*** I would imagine a bit of both. I read reports that the machines in question were "inexplicably" offline in many places on opt-out day. And I'm sure nobody (except perhaps a handful of activists), both customer and TSA, wanted any stress so they probably just went through the motions carefully. ***One way to limit some of the aggravation for travelers is to bring back profiling. Of course, that opens up another can of worms*** Yeah, that's a can of worms dude. "Bring Back" profiling? When was the last time THAT was constitutionally acceptable? I would guess right around the time they were turning the fire hoses on the negroes. That kind of profiling? Seriously? I don't mean to give you undue grief Wahoo, but "bring back" is a pretty racist thing to say. ***I am simply not put off by walking through a scanner or being pat down.*** Good for you! ***I certainly don't think my rights are being infringed by doing so*** That's great, too! ***I've got a bigger problem with a government entity banning toys at fast food establishments...and I don't even like fast food*** If my little girl can't get a toy at McDonalds, and feels disappointed, I can buy her one elsewhere. If my little girl gets touched on her vagina and nipples by airport security, please tell me where I can go to repair THAT..
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Well, I suspect your little girl is going to be touched in those areas (as mine is) by a doctor. And, in those cases I will be a parent and explain the difference between good touching and bad touching. When I say "bring back profiling" I'm simply suggesting if they are going to only have a certain percentage run through the scanner/pat down then perhaps they could look past the four year old girl.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones Not all profiling is racial. It would be widely acceptable if a type of profiling were implemented that excluded young children. And if a terrorist does stick a bomb in a kid and blow it up, well, I guess I just won't fly.
