Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>You can't be an ally of the US if your sponcering terrorism.<< Unless you have lots and lots of oil.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder KT, what about that picture of Bush holding hands with the sponsor of terrorism?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Neil Bortz today had this to say, ""AL GORE NEVER LETS UP Former Vice President Al Gore was in Saudi Arabia on Sunday to make a speech. While he was there, you would have thought he might have done something useful. Perhaps he could have gone out on a limb and condemned Saudi financial support for terrorism. Maybe he could have spoken out for women's rights in Arab countries. Well .. he did nothing of the sort. You see, Al Gore is a Democrat. And the Democratic specialty when traveling abroad is to criticize the United States of America. And boy did Al lay it on thick. He accused the U.S. government of "terrible abuses" against Arabs after 9/11. He complained that they had been "indiscriminately rounded up" and kept in "unforgivable" conditions. Really. I'm not making this up. Al Gore goes to what some believe to be home base for anti-Western Muslim culture and gives them aid and comfort by slamming his own country! Just amazing. To Democrats like Al Gore, 9/11 never happened. There is no terrorist threat. Had Al Gore won the 2000 election (Thank you, God) not only would we have had 9/11, but probably more terrorist attacks. The left doesn't take it seriously. They're more worried about offending Muslims than they are preventing Islamic terrorists from killing more Americans. It's just fine for Al Gore to go to Saudi Arabia, the home of the virulently anti-American and hyper-violent Wahabbi Islamic sect, and slam his own country. But, whatever he does, don't say anything that could offend a Muslim~ There's not a dime's worth of difference between Democrats and Republicans on most things these days, but the irresponsible comments of Al Gore over the weekend in Saudi Arabia illustrate one thing. Gore, and leftists like him .. including John Kerry and Hillary Clinton ... must never be trusted with the reins of power in the Oval Office again. This country needs defending. They simply won't do it.""
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder KT, what about that picture of Bush holding hands with the sponsor of terrorism?
Originally Posted By bboisvert STPH, be patient. He's probably checking the Drudge report or some other "testy" Neo-con site for talking points.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I don't consider a handshake between world leaders to be "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" or bashing the US. Gore crossed the line. He wasn't speaking to a world leader. He was speaking to the muslim community, bashing the US and saying out right lies to our enemys.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Wait, you said these "world leaders" were all kinds of bad, yet when photos of Bush strolling along holding hands with their crown prince shows up, they're not the enemy? I'm getting dizzy again.
Originally Posted By gadzuux They're NOT our enemies. Perhaps they should be, but that would only further complicate things. And tom sawyer's right - they've got lots and lots of oil. They're selling and we're buying. So ostensibly, they're an ally - and thisclose with the bush family. You can't have it both ways KT - you can't decry dems being irresponsible by cozying up to the saudis, and then say that the republicans are the better alternative when the GOP has its own snout shoved far up saudi patootie that they're smellin' yesterday's figs.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Unless you liken a hand shake to 1; giving balistic missle technology to Red China or 2; giving nuclear weapons technology to North Korea. Or perhaps those photo's of then First Lady Hillary Clinton kissing Yasser Arafat.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan they're smellin' yesterday's figs<< LOL! Oh well, there goes my lunch today. Thanks for that visual, gadzuux!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I don't try to play it both ways gadzuux. I believe the Saudi's are our enemys. Most everyone on this board knows I'm a Liberaterian. I'm not a Rebublican or a Democrat. What the Democrats and Republicans have done by making this country dependent on Middle Eastern Oil is unforgiveable. Both partys have out lived their usefulless. This country's only hope is going to come from a viable third party.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I 'almost' agree. A third party would be great if it could get off the ground. Unfortunately I don't believe that's likely - the two sides are too entrenched and established by now. Most of our real problems center around the corruption within our federal government, and the solution to that is to regain a balance of power. The democratic candidates have a far better chance of winning elections than some third party "also-rans".
Originally Posted By Nautilus I think our best hope is election reform, particularly in the area of campaign finance.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Gore was pandering to the Saudis. A long-standing US tradition, sadly enough. But Gore's words pretty much pale next to the Bush family's longstanding ties to the House of Saud. <a href="http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2004/03/15/unger_3/index_np.html" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/books/fea ture/2004/03/15/unger_3/index_np.html</a> " On March 12, 2000, Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush and his wife, Laura, met with Muslim leaders at a local mosque in Tampa, Fla. Among them was Sami Al-Arian, a Kuwaiti-born Palestinian who was an associate professor of engineering at the University of South Florida. George and Laura Bush had their photo taken with him at the Florida Strawberry Festival. Laura Bush made a point of complimenting Al-Arian's wife, Nahla, on her traditional head scarf and asked to meet the family. Nahla told the candidate, "The Muslim people support you." Bush met their lanky son, Abdullah Al-Arian, and, in a typically winning gesture, even nicknamed him "Big Dude." In return, Big Dude's father, Sami Al-Arian, vowed to campaign for Bush -- and he soon made good on his promise in mosques all over Florida. But Al-Arian had unusual credentials for a Bush campaigner. Since 1995, as the founder and chairman of the board of World and Islam Enterprise (WISE), a Muslim think tank, Al-Arian had been under investigation by the FBI for his associations with Islamic Jihad, the Palestinian terrorist group. Al-Arian brought in Ramadan Abdullah Shallah, the No. 2 leader in Islamic Jihad, to be the director of WISE. A strong advocate of suicide bombings against Israel, Shallah was allegedly responsible for killing scores of Israelis in such attacks. " (more...)
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan This country's only hope is going to come from a viable third party.<< I agree, especially a more centrist one. Until then, let's stop voting in incumbents year after year after year. No one needs more than two terms in any one office. That's just asking for trouble.
Originally Posted By Nautilus Without campaign finance reform, a viable third party candidate will end up being bought and paid for just like the other two parties candidates. IMHO
Originally Posted By gadzuux Election reform also must include procedures for elections that truly are non-partisan and free from conflict of interest. The very notion that the president of the company that builds and owns the voting machines is also the GOP's campaign manager and fundraiser is unfathomable to me. I do not have confidence in the fairness and accuracy of recent elections. And what could be more important than the confidence of the public in the election system? Just because "your guy" won the last time or two is not reason to be complacent about the irregularities we've seen in the past recent elections.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip The massive amount of money it takes to launch a presidential campaign really robs us of any true choice. We get to choose between Tweedledee and Tweedledum. Our choice isn't much better than having to decide between Saddam Hussein and Saddam Hussein.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "I don't consider a handshake between world leaders" A handshake? That wasn't just a handshake KT. For cryin' out loud. If that was just a handshake, then wedding nights are really just friendly physicals.
