Originally Posted By cape cod joe Just now on the Factor, Bill Clinton's right hand man, Lanny, actually agreed with Bill for possibly the first time> they laughed about it, and said it was "inappropriate" for Gore to say what he did. He definitely marginalized himself forever and shamed himself (unanimous on the Factor from everyone) plus corroborated the Muslims hatred for us. As Beau would say "Nice job Gore"
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I think Gore had a breakdown after he lost the election -- this latest series of remarks ( while maybe not treasonous since he holds no position of authority that I can see, no gave away anything of value since his opinion means squat) - will definitely set himself apart from any main stream DEM who wants to win the White House. They had to be cringing reading this crap as it plays right into the hands of the far right and what they have been preaching. I hate the far right and the far left -- and those idiots like Gore who somehow think these type of remarks are in any way constructive to anyone. Who was he trying to win over ? Is he running for election in Saudi Arabia. I agree he has a right to free speech, but in this case all he did was prove to me why I am glad he was not elected.. I may not be thrilled with a lot of things these days....but hardly see how they would be any better if this guy was in the White House... I keep hoping somewhere in the next year or so a moderate that can bring some sanity and middle ground appears and moves to the forefront before the next election..I just don't know who that is right now -- what's sad to me is the last time I was really happy in the presidential election booth was voting for Reagan...and that was supposedly controversial.....280M people, there has got to be some strong candidates out there somewhere
Originally Posted By gadzuux From Post #1 - >> I would like to point out that Al Gore has absolutely no evidence to support his accusations of unforgiveable conditions. << He does now. The UN report that states that the US is "mistreating and in some cases torturing" arab detainees. So he's correct in his first point, but how about his second point - >> ... and that most Americans did not support such treatment. << I wonder if that's true.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe post 42--so true 55! Is that your age like mine? Talk about a very sad legacy for Al Gore. I wonder how his father would feel 55----I think the election could very well have made him snap. Isn't it a scary thought the possiblity of him being the President now and then he snapped on our nickel, if he snapped so easily in private life??
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Point 1 - It is definately not treason, other wise I am also guilty as I agree with him. It's called freedom of speech, and that is what our country used to stand for when it was a once great nation. Point 2 - gadzuux - post 43 is very sad, and I expect very true. Please somebody prove us wrong. Point 3 - Tom, I have been to Saudi on business and there are some fantastic people there. Is it a true democracy? No, but it does have some real merits.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Dave------I think it's sad that some people continue to focus on the negatives of our great country! Why not stand up for our country like all the other countries do? They sure do a great job of ripping us apart so why pile on here like nationalistic masochists? Just a valentine's day thought to love OUR country and say GOOD, HAPPY things at least for one day? If you can't, that's sad> imho
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Al Gore was paid to give a speech which he did. His words help enbolden the enemy in a time of war. As a result of his speech Americans all over the world are less safe. In other words, Americans will die as a result of his traderous words. I consider what he said to be very serious and very anti-American. But lets face it, is anyone really surprised. Are these type of speeches unique to Al Gore? The Democratic Party appears to be disassociating itself from him and his activities. Poor Al Gore, not even his own party will come to his defense. Well at least he has the media on his side. Mainstream media has yet to even report his treasonous remarks.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Point 3 - Tom, I have been to Saudi on business and there are some fantastic people there. Is it a true democracy? No, but it does have some real merits.>> I'm sure there are some friendly, nice, honest individuals that reside in Saudi Arabia. However, Saudi Arabia is a fascist, male supremist Monoarchy. Come on Dave. Possession of a bible is a crime in Saudi Arabia. The government of Saudi Arabia has sponcers known terrorist groups around the world. Among those groups are Hammas and Al Qaeda.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo However, I also remember a time in Northern Ireland where the state backed terrorist acts. A friend of mine lost his life. And what color you wore meant whether you could pass through neighbourhoods piecefully. And yet, I know some wonderful North Irish people, and a number of people celebrate their history. As an internationalist, I always warn people about painting another creed with a broad brush. With your background, I am sure you understand this importance?
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "And what color you wore meant whether you could pass through neighbourhoods piecefully." Hey! Just like here in South L.A.!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo And Cape Cod Joe - I dearly love America, and I believe it is one of the greatest societies in the world. However, it is not without it's ills, and the direction of travel seems to be in a backwards direction. But to quote the Sherman Bros. - there's a great big beautiful tomorrow.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> I think it's sad that some people continue to focus on the negatives of our great country! << You're kidding, right? You don't think we should focus on our negatives? Like fer instance torturing our prisoners?
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>I think it's sad that some people continue to focus on the negatives of our great country!<< What a thing for a "Christian" to say! A Christian is supposed to examine his conscience regularly so s/he knows his faults and can work to correct them. I would hope that anyone who cares about their country, ESPECIALLY a Christian, would do the same for their country so their country can improve itself and hold to the values it espouses. St. James said something about that, I think (Jas 1:22-25).
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <post 42--so true 55! Is that your age like mine?< close enough Joe -- was born in '55
Originally Posted By cape cod joe 53) A Christian is supposed to focus on the negatives? Okay but that's news to me and Joel Osteen who I watch every week. God has good things in store for me and America today, sick here and all.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>53) A Christian is supposed to focus on the negatives? Okay but that's news to me and Joel Osteen who I watch every week. God has good things in store for me and America today, sick here and all.<< Is that what I said? I said that we're to examine ourselves (and by extension, our country) to make sure that we're living up to the standard God sets before us. I just don't believe we should IGNORE the negatives, which the RIGHT is want to do when we discuss things that make them look bad. (They're always ready, willing and able to blame "them" for problems, but never own up to their own responsibility for problems they create).
Originally Posted By cmpaley Oh, and Joel Olstein has no authority as far as I'm concerned. You want a good read? Read the Holy Father's latest encyclical "Deus Caritas Est" (God is love) here: <a href="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est_en.html" target="_blank">http://www.vatican.va/holy_fat her/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est_en.html</a>
Originally Posted By cape cod joe CM --I am NOT the right and to answer post 56--- You did say that with the "Christian" to make fun of me. I understand that Joel Osteen has NO authority to you but he changed my life and MILLIONS and his book, "Your Best Life Now" has been read by millions. I respect you, but it's not nice to make fun of my POSITIVE Christian attitude. I'm sick as a dog here, but I remain hopeful that God has good things in store for me today. Post 52===To answer-- NO I don't think we should focus on our negatives! I'm not kidding. My boyish enthusiasm and love of life doesn't allow me to dwell on the negatives. I am on this site for the disney "happiest place on earth" feeling and I TRY not to let negativity get me down. "Thank you God" I do respect your negativity cm but allow me as a "Christian" to look for the positive. respectfully joe
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <a href="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/2/13/182926.shtml?s=ic" target="_blank">http://www.newsmax.com/archive s/ic/2006/2/13/182926.shtml?s=ic</a> Al Gore Event Funded by Bin Laden's Family The Saudi Arabia seminar that was addressed by former Vice President Al Gore over the weekend in a speech that criticized the U.S. for being too tough on Arabs was sponsored, in part, by Osama bin Laden's family. On Saturday, the state-run Saudi news outlet Arab News reported that the Jeddah Economic Forum, where Gore spoke, was funded by "Saudi Arabian Airlines, the Saudi Binladin Group, Gulf One Investment Bank, Saudi Basic Industries Corp." and an array of other big companies with ties to the Middle East. The Saudi BinLadin Group - which is Saudi Arabia's largest construction company - is run by Osama bin Laden's brothers and cousins. Jeddah, the site of the forum attended by Gore, is Osama bin Laden's hometown. Although family members claim they've disowned bin Laden, his mother told reporters after the 9/11 attacks that she received advanced warning from him that something big was about to happen. Story Continues Below A wealthy bin Laden niece also reportedly abandoned her lower Manhattan apartment three weeks before the 9/11 attacks. The BinLadin Group's longtime involvement in the Jeddah forum has been widely reported in the Mideast and European press. In January 2002, ex-President Clinton addressed the JEF, which paid him $267,000 for his speech. According to London's Financial Times: "The conference was dominated by the Saudis' desire to overcome the pressures of September 11 and strengthen U.S.-Saudi ties . . . The BinLadin Group, one of the forum's backers, has been battered by its association with Osama."
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan As usual, NewsMax gives part of the story. Interesting they don't mention that George Bush Sr. has also addressed this group as well. I wonder why they mentioned Clinton, but not his predecessor? <a href="http://www.primezone.com/newsroom/news.html?d=50007" target="_blank">http://www.primezone.com/newsr oom/news.html?d=50007</a> >>- Distinguished participants at previous Jeddah Economic Forums have included former U.S. Presidents George Bush and William Jefferson Clinton, former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, former French President Valery Giscard D'Estaing, former British Prime Minister John Major, the Crown Prince of Bahrain HH Sheikh Salman bin Hamad, Jordanian Prime Minister Ali Abu Al-Ragheb, former Russian Prime Minister and President of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of the Russian Federation, Mr.Yevgeny Primakov, and high profile Saudi businessman HRH Waleed Bin Talal, among many others.<<
