Originally Posted By davewasbaloo And the fact that members of the Bin Laden family were friends of the Bush family. odd that was also left out.
Originally Posted By bboisvert The financing of the event is inconsequential. Both Clinton and Gore get paid handsomely for their speaking engagements. What's wrong with that? Everyone else already knows that the bin Laden's have a much longer history with the Bush family. DID YOU KNOW THAT... George W. Bush's father was meeting with Osama bin Laden's brother, Shafig bin Laden, in the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, Washington, on the morning of 9/11. They were on Carlyle Group business just a few miles from where hijackers supposedly acting on behalf of Osama bin Laden would fly a plane into the Pentagon.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>I do respect your negativity cm but allow me as a "Christian" to look for the positive.<< You're a Protestant, aren't you. I can tell by this very statement...the "either-or" kind of thinking is indicative of the Protestant mindset. I find that the "both-and" mindset is much more productive. Yes, there are many wonderful things in God's creation. There are many wonderful things in this country. But we cannot ignore the fact that there are negative things in this world and we must be prepared to deal with them...either in our personal lives as well as in the public sphere. Our eternal destinies hinge on things like that, you know.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Not only do we have to be prepared to deal with them, we are commanded to deal with them.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>Not only do we have to be prepared to deal with them, we are commanded to deal with them.<< Amen.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe post 63--------Wrong again cm--------wife's father was a Baptist Minister but I was brought up in Catholic Schools. We are in between churches now for our children, as usual, but I make them watch Joel every Sunday as they watch a lot of the news (negatives) all day long in real life. If you have read my posts cm, you know I'm quite aware of the negatives, but would appreciate some postives from you and others here about our country. The Bin Ladens are in bed with all the pols here> it's pathetic. Sorry cm you can't label me with the protestant mindset. I can only be labeled with the love and postitive mental attitude mindset hence my favor of God. You have to see Joel or read his book to understand what the favor of God means.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Tom--------You make a PERFECT analogy as my father in law thinks the same thing about Joel. He spent many years in seminary school, etc and it seems like Joel did not. It's not important as we all are different as made by our creator and I don't think it's good to be "elitists" in our views as my religion is better than yours etc, or Charles Stanley is better than Joel Osteen! I watch them both as well as Catholic speakers, and on and on. I do it all or as much as I can in my 19/7 life.
Originally Posted By cmpaley Great theologians of our time: Dr. Scott Hahn, John Paul the Great, Benedict XVI Try reading the stuff they've written.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe cm ---------I get up at 3 as it is but those are all GREAT theologians and I would love to read more of their stuff.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>Sorry cm you can't label me with the protestant mindset. I can only be labeled with the love and postitive mental attitude mindset hence my favor of God. You have to see Joel or read his book to understand what the favor of God means.<< Why would I do that when there are much better examples? Examples like, the Blessed Virgin Mary, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Therese the little flower, Bl. Theresa of Calcutta, John Paul the Great... Now THOSE are examples!
Originally Posted By cape cod joe You would want to if you wanted to grow in an eclectic way like I do. There are only so many hours in the day though. So we both have to ask ourselves the Dr. Phil question> "How's it working for you?" My wildest dreams have come true so that's an affirmative here.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe FYI- cm--------I went to the University of Dayton which has the largest library in the world on the Virgin Mary. Dayton is called a Marianist University so you are singing to the choir.
Originally Posted By planodisney TomSawyer, I couldnt agree with you more about Joel Osteen. cmpaley, there are many great non-catholic theologians. cmpaley, i am wondering how you side with a political party who is so in violation with your faith on many issues. From abortion, gay marriage, the growing anti-religious movement within the party that forced many longtime Democrats to change parties, to euthenasia, using freedom of speach to make sure it is as difficult as possible to protect our children from pornography. the list could go on and on. I am honestly not trying to challenge you here, but just wondering how you could be part of a party that welcomes the immoral in almost every facet, and is increasingly not friendly to religious people. Hence, catholics voting a majority republican in the last election. They feel the moral decline of the left also.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>TomSawyer, I couldnt agree with you more about Joel Osteen.<< Woot - common ground!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<From abortion, gay marriage, the growing anti-religious movement within the party that forced many longtime Democrats to change parties, to euthenasia, using freedom of speach to make sure it is as difficult as possible to protect our children from pornography. the list could go on and on.>> Actually, it really couldn't. There are a few "hot button" issues that put the Catholic Church in conflict with Democratic teachings. In almost all other areas the positions of the Democratic Party are far closer to the Catholic Church (in fact Christianity in general) than those of the Republicans.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>cmpaley, i am wondering how you side with a political party who is so in violation with your faith on many issues.<< I don't necessarily support the democrats. I oppose what has become of the Republican party. But there's your Protestant either/or kind of thinking that prevents that from being seen.
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger I appreciate your devotion to your religion, cmpaley, but you seem to be turning into a real bigot about it. That, or your just trying to push people's buttons. Which is it? (Sorry about the "either/or" thinking, but I don't see a third alternative.)
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Thanks Crouching as I take it that you see him doing the "my religious leaders are better than yours" thing. Notice how I praised the leaders who aren't my favorite but 2 other people were very firm not liking my favorite. That's alright as Joel and me have God's favor. Make fun of him and/or me all day and I'll continue to respect your favorite religious leaders.
