Originally Posted By Dabob2 <>>???? (why do I bother?)<<> <Because you get off on it? You have a lot of nerve to say I'm exaggerating and then to assume I'll back down.> You really should try the decaf. >>You seem to think the reaction to DCA was more uniform than it was. And we're taking about DCA - that's the dialog, not a change in dialog, unless you want "DCA sucks and you must agree with this" to be the extent of the dialog.<< <No, I know the responses are extreme at times. I had many arguments with people who don't agree. SO WHAT? The fact that there is a dialog means... I enjoy arguing with people who don't agree with me.> Fine. But that doesn't negate anything I said, so it's a curious "hey the sky is blue! It really is!" sort of statement. <Keep arguing with me. It means YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME. Are you really a professor?> Never said I was. I said that at one point in my life I was an adjunct professor. You might want to look up what that means. >>You have one point - I don't expect you to change your feelings or perceptions.<< <Huh? Are you still bothering?> My sentence itself basically means "yes, but wondering why." I do enjoy discussions, but it's always better with someone who can contribute something and not just repeat previous statements. >>It's more reasonable because it's closer to the mark. From the beginning, DCA had good parts and bad parts. It didn't have the attendance they wanted, but it's grown. Most people see improvement.<< <You're entitled to your opinion. Even I see an improvement.> Cool. >>But DCA is not a "final result." Like all parks, it's a living, growing entity. I acknowledged plenty of flaws in DCA from the get-go, but gave it more slack than some other people precisely because I recognized that the final chapter has not been written. << <For now, DCA is the final result. It is the result of which it is presented to the public. Take it or leave it.> Or understand that it's a work in progres. >>So I could simply enjoy the good parts of it, and look forward to a better park in the future.<< <If I say DCA sucks, it doesn't mean you or I can't enjoy the park. I can look forward to the future too. I will keep saying DCA sucks until it doesn't. This is a dialog. That mean I have my opinion and you have yours.> Exactly.
Originally Posted By woody >>I said that at one point in my life I was an adjunct professor. You might want to look up what that means.<< Which part? Adjunct or Professor? I'm questioning your intelligence since you claimed to be a professor. Let's stick with context before you try your latest slam. >>Fine. But that doesn't negate anything I said, so it's a curious "hey the sky is blue! It really is!" sort of statement.<< Okay, I'm done. BTW, DCA sucks.
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney "And then there are people who can see both, acknowlege both, and call the park a mixed bag." I am decidedly one of those people you describe in my feelings toward DCA. However, I must wonder when it became cool to accept a 'mixed bag' as the best Disney can do, let alone standing next to the magical place that started it all? I expect more from Disney. I haven't become so cynical to accept mediocrity as the best Imagineering can come up with -- with all due apologies to Barry Braverman and Co.
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney "Plus, it seemed obvious to me that the model they followed most closely was MGM - a big mistake business-wise because that was a 3rd gate with the WDW demographic as opposed to a 2nd gate with the SoCal demographic - but nonetheless that meant that they planned substantial additions over the first decade or so. So I could simply enjoy the good parts of it, and look forward to a better park in the future." The third gate analogy is a good one, but as a longtime WDW local I must say that many people (and obviously myself) think Disney-MGM was a pretty nice park to begin with that has been turned into a complete mess over the past decade DCA currently is a far better park than Disney-MGM Studios and that is just sad on so many levels.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>However, I must wonder when it became cool to accept a 'mixed bag' as the best Disney can do< The folks who think that DCA is enjoyable even if it is flawed probably don't think it is the best the Disney can do. They accept the park for what it is, but they also accept the fact that there is room for improvement and that it isn't the best that Disney can do.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 >>I said that at one point in my life I was an adjunct professor. You might want to look up what that means.<< <Which part? Adjunct or Professor? I'm questioning your intelligence since you claimed to be a professor.> I never claimed to be a professor. I said that at one point I was an adjunct professor. And it seems you do need to look that up.
Originally Posted By woody You claimed to be a professor who did all the heavy lifting of one like grading tests and papers. Why don't you explain why it matters in your argument to know the difference between an adjunct professor and a professor? I would still call you incompetent to make an argument. At least show some respect for your fellow adjunct professors!!! You're so quick to run away from your qualifications. RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY. LOL!!!
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> I must say that many people (and obviously myself) think Disney-MGM was a pretty nice park to begin with << Since that park has had a relatively easy time in attracting a good-sized number of visitors, from its opening days in 1989 onward, I like to believe that it really was better than DCA, certainly circa 2001, if not today.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <You claimed to be a professor who did all the heavy lifting of one like grading tests and papers.> No, I said I was an adjunct professors. Adjunct professors do that too. <Why don't you explain why it matters in your argument to know the difference between an adjunct professor and a professor?> It doesn't matter to the argument. I'm just setting the record straight. <At least show some respect for your fellow adjunct professors!!! You're so quick to run away from your qualifications. RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY.> How can I "run away" when I never claimed to be anything other than what I was. It is you who has confused things, and I'm setting the record straight. < I would still call you incompetent to make an argument.> I do love irony.
