Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub And I know each local averages thousands over a year but financially you need thousands of guests spending thousands each visit.50 weekends x $100 vs 50 x $1000 is a big difference. Disney needs to figure out a way to keep both sectors happy and spending. Right now they are behaving like the local **** that needs to keep you addicted to the cheap stuff and get your future generations hooked on the stuff too. I am sorry to say something so harsh and critical.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>If "poor" now means owning a 3 bedroom tract home that is in good repair and with attached garage, with a two year old Charger or Explorer in the driveway, and new bikes and trendy clothes for the well-fed kids safe enough to play in the street, then the "poor" in SoCal are doing pretty darn good! Ha!<< Especially when you consider how much those tract homes cost. You can buy houses in the country club neighborhoods in flyover country for those prices.
Originally Posted By fkurucz "Most people I know plan family vacations to Hawaii or ski trips and wouldn't even place DL as an option to consider because of the crowds" It has fallen off our list for this very reason. But I don't hate AP holders. Why should I? Is their fault that Disneyland's management decided to form its business model around them and offer relatively "cheap" APs to guarantee the parks will always be packed?
Originally Posted By alexbook Whenever I hear people talking about how cheap DLR APs are, I wonder what the speaker would think of the other SoCal theme parks' "buy a day, get a year" promotions.
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^They basically have that here at the local, former Six Flags, now independent Elitch Gardens. You get what you pay for. But yes, DLR SoCal APs are a bargain, even with their countless blocked days. There's a reason why they are able to sell almost a million of them every year. Go just three times and you have broken even.
Originally Posted By alexbook I think USH's basic AP is $74. There's a premium with no black-outs for not much more. They also sell a "front of line" pass fairly cheaply. I'd love to know the breakdown on how many times APers actually use their passes. I'd bet there are a lot of people who buy an AP intending to go all the time, and then only use it once. Kind of like magazines and newspapers I've subscribed to and then not read.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "So please, stop baggin on the APers." While I can see why APs might feel slighted or offended by some of the comments being made, I find it equally annoying that the local APers don't want to acknowledge the problems that have arisen as a result of the AP program. Without modifications (ie hard ticket "events", limiting the number of APs sold, etc.) the heavy discounting available through APs is not sustainable in keeping DL a viable operation in the tradition that people expect from Disney. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "I sure didn't see any reduction in daytime crowds this year during Halloween." But daytime crowds really weren't the problem. It did help the nighttime crowds quite a bit. I think it was pretty successful. More hard ticket parties!
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL >>>"I sure didn't see any reduction in daytime crowds this year during Halloween." But daytime crowds really weren't the problem. It did help the nighttime crowds quite a bit. I think it was pretty successful. More hard ticket parties!<<< Exactly! I couldn't care less how crowded the daytime AP crowd is, We gave up our Premium AP's after WoC opened after using it a whopping 7 times in a year. Reason: way too crowded to be enjoyable any longer. We will, however, gladly pay $50 or so to enjoy the Christmas Season at a private night time "party" just to actually be able to enjoy the park.
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL Oh yes, I forgot to add, we hadn't had AP's since 1999 - 2001. So not the typical Disney dweeb that Disney management is targeting.
Originally Posted By onlyme I've been AP-free since June. My head is clear and I don't live in a cloud anymore. It was tough, but I decided to go cold turkey. Yes, like any drug, it's a tough habit to break. OH, and I've put an extra $2000 in savings. That'll go towards my AP next year...lol!
Originally Posted By lesmisfan ok here is the thing with APers.... Many of them, NOT ALL, feel like they own the place and expect special treatment because they shelled out the money for APs. Is this attitude disneys fault? I don't think so. I can't tell you how many times, when I had an AP, i felt horrible taking mine out and asking if i got a discount somewhere because almost everytime there was another APer in front of me and near me that was cursing up a storm because they didn't get the discount they wanted. Many APers, again NOT ALL have the attitude of im an APer so they better treat me better than those day guests. Trust me ive seen it daily! Is it disneys fault for allowing so many, probably, is it their fault for the attitude, no! its the inidviduals responsibilty for their attitude and not disneys.
Originally Posted By avatarmickey115 I think the majority of APers aren't like that. When I get meals there I just say I have an AP and I see what discount I get...I think 10% The people who go out of their way to complain because they didn't get an extra 5% off are just idiots and don't deserve to enjoy the parks if they're gonna get that picky. that's just my opinion, i am very polite to CMs and I definitely don't think I own the place, and neither do most of the APers...I don't know where you're getting that from.
Originally Posted By pecos bill This whole hatred of the AP's thing is just ridiculous. I hate Nazis, thieves, crooks and Republicans, I do not hate Annual Passholders. I do however, thoroughly resent the fact that there are so many of them that the parks are no longer enjoyable to me.
Originally Posted By pleiades357 I suppose they could still sell APs and then block them from entering the park at all... Halloween, two friends who took kids told me they thought it was "nice", but did not want their kids loaded with candy and were concerned about "questionable" costumes, both said they saw more than a couple slutty versions of Disney characters. Monday, 22nd, went with a friend... see the parade and fireworks arrived it seems, too late for a place to see parade, it was amazingly crowded. Long waits for dinner everywhere. Long lines in restaurants and shops... looked like Disney is the hot spot.
Originally Posted By smd4 No one is saying they hate people who hold APs! However, some of us do not like the AP *PROGRAM*. Big difference. Really big.
Originally Posted By fkurucz "No one is saying they hate people who hold APs! However, some of us do not like the AP *PROGRAM*. Big difference. Really big." Exactly!
Originally Posted By lesmisfan "I think the majority of APers aren't like that. When I get meals there I just say I have an AP and I see what discount I get...I think 10% The people who go out of their way to complain because they didn't get an extra 5% off are just idiots and don't deserve to enjoy the parks if they're gonna get that picky. that's just my opinion, i am very polite to CMs and I definitely don't think I own the place, and neither do most of the APers...I don't know where you're getting that from." i did say Not all, but some in my post. and i have plenty of experiances with people who have APs and there are so many nice ones, don't get me wrong but there are so many who try to abuse the system and try to use their AP as an excuse daily.
Originally Posted By jmuboy Here is a wacky idea. Maybe AP's should be restricted. Like season tickets to a football team for example. At any one time there can only be 400k Premium, 400k Deluxe and 400k SoCal (those numbers are random, picked for the example). That way once the 400k mark is reached no new passes are sold until someone does not renew.
