Al Lutz nails apologists ...

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    Originally Posted By Witches of Morva

    ORDDU: We're more than glad to show our 'true colors', dear because we have nothing to hide--but you'll have to excuse us if we can't thank you for showing yours again for the 1 Billionth time because your true colors reveal a soul of nothing but hate speak. At least it's comforting to know that hateful people won't be around forever. Eventually there is an end to all things evil.

    ORGOCH: I still cain't git over the fact he's been comparin' himself with the fat toad I seen in the ol' crystal. Who would a thought? Tryin' ta steal Al's thunder agin is ya??

    ORWEN: I just love being able to conjur up Al and his comments in the crystal ball, though, don't you?
     
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    Originally Posted By jonvn

    "because we have nothing to hide"

    Yes, you've not even bothered to disguise your behavior at this point.

    And now you're talking about my "soul" and how I'm filled with hate. Of course.

    Thanks again.
     
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    Originally Posted By jonvn

    In any case, you might want to consider what sort of behavior you are engaging in while you claim others are using hate speech.

    I think it's pretty clear who is doing that now.

    I may be critical of what people say online, but I don't ever stoop as low as you people do. That's your niche.
     
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    Originally Posted By danyoung

    Witches, I'm certainly not a jon fan. But you did indeed compare jon to a wife stealer. Here's what you said -

    >That's why we likes Al Lutz a whole lot more. One thing ya won't find Al doin' is runnin' off with some other fella's wife...<

    Now, you were talking about Jim Hill, I guess. But the inference was there, whether you intended it or not. jon is pretty paranoid, and these type of statements stand out in his mind and will continue to be used against you for years - just watch. Months from now you'll disagree with him on something, and he'll say "Fine words coming from someone who compared me to a wife stealer".

    I think both sides need to take a deep breath and just move on.
     
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    Originally Posted By jonvn

    "jon is pretty paranoid, and these type of statements stand out in his mind "

    I'm not paranoid, but I will remember this, permanently. Now, as to whether I 'use it against' this person is based entirely on their behavior.

    And you might want to consider this Jim Hill thing? First, I never even knew Fab until after she was divorced, so it's wrong there, and second, I met her once, for dinner, a long time ago. And that was it.

    SO it's all a very big lie conjured up to try to make me look bad. Much less subtle than your attempts, dan.

    "Months from now you'll disagree with him on something"

    Months from now, if this person decides to talk about my "lifestyle," you bet I will bring it up, because this is about as low as a person can sink, to falsely accuse someone of something like this. But if this person simply disagrees with me, that's something else. I would have no reason to bring it up, and won't.

    Someone actually threatened my life on this board a few months ago. Said they'd find where I live, and come up behind me and cut my throat. He was angry at the time, but apologized. That's all it takes. I don't carry grudges, and while we're not bosom buddies, I don't harbor ill will over it.

    If I can get past that, i can get past just about anything.

    If you can't figure this out by now, there's no hope for you.
     
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    Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder

    I'd like to take a moment to pass along an observation. What we have here are grown men arguing with someone, a man, woman, who knows, who pretends to be a coven of witches and creates dialog to convey his/her/its thoughts. This truly puts the word geek in the phrase Disney Geek Site.
     
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    Originally Posted By jonvn

    Ha!

    True enough.
     
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    Originally Posted By RoadTrip

    The witches would be wise to remember that it was the assistant pig keeper who ends up with the magic sword.
     
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    Originally Posted By TDLFAN

    >>Hey, guys, I just heard Al has a new column up on his site (off to read it now).<<

    Check out Kevin Yee's columnb on his recent TDR visit. That is more telling and interesting.
     
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    Originally Posted By kennect

    Oh, how I was sickened the other night when the TMZ television show did a bit about ashes being left at DL after all of us knowing such things do happen....But the most fun part was how they quoted "Al" throughout the whole story...They wanted to make it sound as if this was something new and different for Disney to deal with...I just thought the whole thing was absurd since all know of this type thing happening for years now and yet they made it sound as if "Al" was bringing this subject to light for the first time...Big deal!
     
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    Originally Posted By Brian Noble

    TDLFAN: really? I find Kevin so tediously self-aggrandizing that I rarely make it through his columns---a quick skim is all I can take. I mean yes, I know he was a working lead in foods, and yes, I understand that that qualifies him to be an armchair imagineer, but does he have to remind me constantly?

    But, if you think the article is worth a read, perhaps I will go read it.
     
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    Originally Posted By TDLFAN

    Yes really. Even Kevin Yee could not contain his enthusiasm for TDS, stopping himself short of proclaiming it "the best Disney park on Earth" only because he feels he has to have a certain gratitude and preference over his beloved DL park in Anaheim just because he was a CM there. He can't bring himself to admit the obvious.
     
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    Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

    I just read Kevin's columns on TDL and TDS. They weren't exactly meaty, but they gave a fine first person's account of a visit ... as to him writing a book ... well, if you've ever been in a Borders you pretty much know that it doesn't take much. ... I've also often found Kevin has a great knack for missing the obvious (his crazy notions about his Disney Cruise or him having issues with the 'realism' of DAK), but there are many Disney geeks who will buy anything with the word 'Disney' in it.

    I do agree with Kevin, without having seen TDS in person yet though, that DL will also always be No. 1 in my book. It's an amazing place 52 years plus after its debut ... and TDS wouldn't exist had it not been built.
     
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    Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

    <<Oh, how I was sickened the other night when the TMZ television show did a bit about ashes being left at DL after all of us knowing such things do happen....But the most fun part was how they quoted "Al" throughout the whole story...They wanted to make it sound as if this was something new and different for Disney to deal with...I just thought the whole thing was absurd since all know of this type thing happening for years now and yet they made it sound as if "Al" was bringing this subject to light for the first time...Big deal!>>


    Whether it has been going on for years is beside the point.

    It's sickening and really stupid beyond words when you realize what happens to teh remains. The people really should be arrested. If you can be arrested for shoplifting a pin that cost a dime to manufacture, I'd say tossing human remains around should qualify for a trip to the Anaheim PD (ATM in Lobby!)

    And whether the Disney geeks, CMs and insiders have known about it, doesn't matter.

    It was never in the mainstream media until Al wrote about it. And, yeah, I do think it is newsworthy.
     
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    Originally Posted By TDLFAN

    >>(his crazy notions about his Disney Cruise or him having issues with the 'realism' of DAK)<<

    Funny, I remember Leemac had the same issues with TDS' realism.

    >>I do agree with Kevin, without having seen TDS in person yet though, that DL will also always be No. 1 in my book.<<

    Agreed, but having DCA across the esplanade just killed that overall resort experience for me. But not faulting DL park for any of that.

    On a side note, Kevin missed the obvious reason about going to TDS: Food. That is what he gets for taking babies in strollers to that park. No kidCOT areas here thank goodness!
     
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    Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

    >>(his crazy notions about his Disney Cruise or him having issues with the 'realism' of DAK)<<

    <<Funny, I remember Leemac had the same issues with TDS' realism.>>

    Yes, which I found a bit whacked because one of the best things about both parks is their 'realism' ... these aren't MK parks ... or even Studios ...

    >>I do agree with Kevin, without having seen TDS in person yet though, that DL will also always be No. 1 in my book.<<

    <<Agreed, but having DCA across the esplanade just killed that overall resort experience for me. But not faulting DL park for any of that.>>

    DCA has already begun its extreme makeover!

    <<On a side note, Kevin missed the obvious reason about going to TDS: Food. That is what he gets for taking babies in strollers to that park. No kidCOT areas here thank goodness!>>

    You know I won't be missing out on this aspect next spring!!! :)
     
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    Originally Posted By TDLFAN

    >>DCA has already begun its extreme makeover!<<

    Well, if they finally make that carpenter guy an official DCA attraction, I might just go pay a visit.
     
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    Originally Posted By oc_dean

    >>DCA has already begun its extreme makeover!
    <<

    I thought the only work being done so far is Midway Mania ... which is seperate from the 1.2 billion dollar facelift.
     
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    Originally Posted By oc_dean

    >>yet they made it sound as if "Al" was bringing this subject to light for the first time...Big deal!<<

    His deamenor in that video piece didn't sound so smug to indicate he was bringing up .. As if .. for the first time.

    I think he pointed out things like that HAD been going on before.

    Today ..
    someone made an observation about Michael Moore on "Sicko" that seems to remind me of Al ....

    "You can dislike his own brand of politics, style .. in the way he comes across ...... But he lays out the cold facts whether one wants to deny them or not."

    And while Al can get on my nerves a bit with his writing style .... He has a continuing growing track record for delivering news that ultimately turned out to be fact.

    And what I find hilarious (after 600 posts) those who say they hate him ... probably sure can't resist reading his columns! ;-)

    It's all a win-win for Al.
    He's getting what every writer wants.
    READERS!
     
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    Originally Posted By oc_dean

    Furthermore ...
    I'll goes as far as to say ....
    I can't wait every time for every column he writes! And I'm sure his "so called" detractors can't wait either! :p
     
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