Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey I don't think anyone should make comments about anyone's personal life, even it they are doing something illegal. If they're doing something illegal, report it to the police, because otherwise it just becomes part of the internet rumor mill. Even if someone is a well known executive, Disney or otherwise, what they do outside the office in their own personal lives is their business and their business only. I don't think that just because you're a public figure (and I don't think they're public figures - most people on the street wouldn't know Cynthia Harris from a hole in the ground) your life deserves to be under a microscope. Talking about someone's personal life, or even threatening to talk about it, is tacky and uncalled for. I don't care how bad of an executive you think a person is, no one deserves to have their personal laundry, dirty or otherwise, posted on an internet site. I'm a firm believer in free speech, but I would hope that if something like that was posted that it would be ADMINed immediately. No one is going to benefit from knowing personal information about any exec, Disney or otherwise, and even if you don't like them, they are due a certain amount of respect - not because they work for Disney, but because they're people.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<But he told me on one occasion that I should basically disown a nephew of mine that works at Walmart...>> He told me pretty much the same thing about my son who works as a paralegal in a Law Office specializing in collections. He backed off a bit and I decided not to hold it against him, but the remarks were incredibly uncalled for and out of place.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 ummmm.... kennect and RoadTrip, please check your facts. According to Spirit's most recent reply to me on this thread, he doesn'd DO that kind of thing. Thank you.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 Spirit never attacks, and he never makes offensive posts. Read back. I'm sure he said, "I wish your nephew [son] a magical day." Who are YOU to attack the Spirit?! Why do you have such an obvious hard-on for him?! Why do you show up here and say bad things about him?! What makes you both think you are the arbiters of what should and should not be said on LP?! You both obviously have some unhealthy obsession with the Spirit.
Originally Posted By kennect Inspector, Would it be worth the effort and fun for me to research that post so it could be quoted? I don't think it would but it is here somewhere in the archives....I just want to know if I am too old to get into the whole gay college program thingthat he makes mention of and it didn't get deleted here so neither should this post of mine....
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 ORPOOH: I cannot believe someone would be so rude as to post something like that. So mean. Certain posters just have no respect. ORCROTCH: Indeed. No matter how clever it was. Or how based in truth. ORWELL: Well, we'll just spin a spell and taint the criticizer forever! Nobody can criticize one of OUR favorite ducklings and get away with it! If we like someone, we like someone! And, therefore, NOTHING critical of them can be tolerated! ORCROTCH: But can't it be that someone can be entirely likeable and yet have a teeny weeny... fault? or make some regrettable posts here in the Pond? and still be a good duckling? ORWELL: You've been into the brew again, haven't you?! If we like someone, NO criticism is allowed!!!
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<Inspector, Would it be worth the effort and fun for me to research that post so it could be quoted?>> No, I don't think so. I remember that thread and his response. But if you quote it, as I did recently with his response on another thread, he'll just cloud the issue and tell you that he didn't say what he said. Or that he didn't mean what he said. Or that you misunderstood what he said. Or that nobody else criticized him for saying it. Or that you're obviously mentally deranged for questioning him. Or whatever. No, don't put yourself through it. That's what I'm doing on this thread. No use in both of us getting run down again.
Originally Posted By kennect Oh Inspector, I haven't the time or the energy to do such...I just don't understand the concept of such people...The guy has some insight he can share...That is great...The flipside of that isn't.....
Originally Posted By kennect Sorry Inspector, I left this point out...When other folks try to out him for bad behviour on the net I am sure he won't like it....Therefore, one should keep his mouth shut about such things...It is nobody's business unless you just want to be a gossip rag...
Originally Posted By Darkbeer I found the perfect DoM letter while reading this week's OC Weekly, but not talking about Disney, but a totally DIFFERENT subject, so a perfect example of what a DoM (IMHO) does and doesn't relate to any specific user at a Disney related website... WARNING: Note, you might find a few adult language words in the following link, but not in the letter I am quoting.... <a href="http://www.ocweekly.com/columns/letters/letters/27876/" target="_blank">http://www.ocweekly.com/column s/letters/letters/27876/</a> >>GIMME A DAYBREAK That was one mean and awful article [Rich Kane’s “‘Only in New Jersey!’ And other important ‘local’ stories on Daybreak OC,†Oct. 5]!! You should be ashamed. How can you put down Daybreak OC? Let’s not forget you are part of Orange County! Your putting down that show will devalue all Orange County publications. Your newspaper is no LA Times, OC Register, or Washington Post!! Instead of you being classy about what is wrong with the station, you seem to be pretty harsh toward the male anchor at Daybreak. He seems to do well. I’m in the Los Angeles news business, and I tell you there is a lot of pressure in TV news, let alone starting a network from scratch. I could say the La Palma package was not that good, but Pete, Nancy and Judy are solid, and they are doing great. Plus, the show promised world headlines as well as local news. So it does what it promised it would. To me, it seems like you have a problem with the anchor more than you do the other reporters/anchors or the show itself. Hmmm . . . jealous? I won’t be reading your stupid OC Weekly, and I’ll make sure to tell others not to. I’ll make sure the folks over at Daybreak will read this article, but I hope they will advertise on their morning show how awful OC Weekly depicts Orange County. Daybreak is supposed to be for the people of OC, and writing things about their morning news show means you are disrespecting the whole county and its residents. Nice going. OC Weekly is a stupid tabloid for journalists/writers who could never make it to a real newspaper! WC via e-mail << I taped the show on its first day, and it was a TRAIN wreck, a lot of stuff didn't work, the screen was WAY too cluttered, and I have seen better High School TV productions. Has it gotten better, yes, they got rid of the clutter, but is now basically one person reading news stories with graphics, and occasionally some video footage. To me, the current version is Radio on TV, and still is a pile of crap, especially if you compare it to all the other morning news programs available in the SoCal TV market. As for the DoM comments, the first sentence says it all... "You should be ashamed. How can you put down Daybreak OC? Let’s not forget you are part of Orange County! Your putting down that show will devalue all Orange County publications." Aka, once again, IMHO, Hey, It is Orange County, it HAS to be good..... Huh??? A spade is a spade, if it was a good program people would say so, currently it is getting a bit better, but I have to switch over after looking at it for a couple of minutes (Heck, people love train wrecks... And then there is the second comment.... "Daybreak is supposed to be for the people of OC, and writing things about their morning news show means you are disrespecting the whole county and its residents. Nice going." So first, discussing the show (and giving it publicity is a BAD thing???), are we just to ignore the show and not talk about it at all? Or should we state it was AWFUL on day one, and has had signs of improvement, but still has a LONG way to go to compare to other similar type of programming in the area that is being offered at the same time.... (Gee, sounds like a DCA comment
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I remember what things were like before Eisner quite clearly. It was stagnant and falling apart. The quality of what Disney was making was exceedingly low. He raised the bar and EVERYTHING that people see today is the result of what he did, as he saved the place from being broken up into multiple different companies.>> Absolutely. Eisner and Wells (along with Katzenburg, Disney and WDI) did some amazing things from 1984-94. They brought Disney back from the brink, made it relevant, and put out amazing quality product from theme parks to animation to merchandise etc ... After Wells died and Katzenburg left and Eisner got the network he always coveted ... well, things were never quite the same. He still did some amazing things like getting DAK built and TDS (albeit with someone else's money). But he overstayed his welcome by a good five years. And it was obvious to many in the company, on Wall Street and, yes, fan sites. Michael also was always interested in talking and getting feedback from guests, often to the chagrin of his 'handlers' ... to me that showed a tremendous amount of leadership smarts. He just stayed too long ...the man is a Disney Legend and is very deserving.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I am breaking a rule I made for myself several months ago...But this is more an affirmation of it....>> Come on in, step right up and take a shot. <<Spirit has had some great things to say about what is happening with WDW...But he told me on one occasion that I should basically disown a nephew of mine that works at Walmart.>> No. He never told you that. He told you that he hated the company because of what they have done to the American worker and competition. He told you that he did not respect people who knew about the evils of WalMart and still shopped/worked there. He stands by that. He never told you to disown anyone unless in jest. Just another drama queen. <<..When that was said I swore to myself I would never ever make another comment here on the WDW board....Now Spirit throws out some info about some stuff that he can't talk about...Personal info on Disney exec's...What a low blow to them and also to the LP community....Talk about what you can say, don't talk about what you can't say.>> I'll talk about whatever I feel like talking about. I'm glad you want to protect Disney exes who are nameless and faceless to you and couldn't care less that you exist from the big, bad Spirit. But I won't say things here that are against Community Standards. I will say that some Disney execs are scum as human beings. Just like at every company. I've just had the displeasure to experience these insecure, little people and they will get shots whenever they do a lousy job and do things that affects guests magical WDW vacations adversely. <<..Those creepy comments from Spirit just lessen his importance as being a true source of info in my mind....>> Great. Welcome back. Let's see if you have the guts to stay around and debate instead of posting a drive-by and running away.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Talking about someone's personal life, or even threatening to talk about it, is tacky and uncalled for. I don't care how bad of an executive you think a person is, no one deserves to have their personal laundry, dirty or otherwise, posted on an internet site.>> Nikki, read what I wrote. I would never talk about anyone's personal life or threaten to do so. We both know if I did, the posts would disappear anyway. But what I did say is some of Disney's execs (not all, not even a majority) are just not good people. They aren't. I am not allowed to tell you why in this forum. But I'd be more than happy to tell you in real life (and we can even leave out names and just talk about behaviors and you can tell me what you think.O)
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Look I-57 and Ken, either you take the thread back to WDW, or I'm demanding it be closed. No individual poster should be the subject of a thread ... or in your case, a bash-fest since both of you are unable to debate. Why don't you start a support group for 'Lonely souls hurt by the Evil Spirit?' I don't think you'll have many members, but it might give you something 'useful' to do with your time.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<Look I-57 and Ken, either you take the thread back to WDW, or I'm demanding it be closed.>> In other words, "You've made some valid points that I can't talk my way out of, so I'm going to run to the mods for rescue." Go ahead. I'd consider that to be validation of the points that a number of us have made here.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <<But what I did say is some of Disney's execs (not all, not even a majority) are just not good people. They aren't.>> I'm not surprised that there are bad people who are execs at Disney. There are bad people in every job and every spectrum of society. But what they do in their personal lives has nothing to do with the fact that they work at Disney, or if they work anywhere else. I could say a lot of bad stuff about people who are highly admired, but what would it gain me? I would just be stooping to a low level, and I choose not to do that. It's sniping and it's very 5th grade. <<I am not allowed to tell you why in this forum. But I'd be more than happy to tell you in real life (and we can even leave out names and just talk about behaviors and you can tell me what you think.O)>> I'd rather not know, even with the names left out. Again, I'm not going to gain anything from it. I'm sure there are some nasty people working at Disney, but it's not going to make a difference in my life whether I know about it or not. If you and I ever meet live and in person, I'd rather get into a fight over refillable mugs .
Originally Posted By Skellington88 >>If you were born after 1977, you basically do not remember what the place was like before eisner came along.<< I was born in 1984...things didnt go downhill until around 1996 after Frank Wells died, Katzenberg left the company, Lucas split after a fight with Eisner, and people like Paul Pressler came to power. So I was visiting the parks for
Originally Posted By Skellington88 oops I got cut off in the last post. So I was visiting the parks for roughly a decade before things got bad. I don't like Jonvn's brand of propoganda he fails to mention that what made the first half of Eisner's tenure so great was his collaboration with the best and brightest of the business and entertainment world. There was Frank Wells who mediated the big egos and ran the company with the philosophy "it takes money to make money", there was George Lucas working closley with Imagineering which led to the birth of Star Tours, Alien Encounter, Captain EO, and the Indiana Jones adventure. There was the Spielberg/Zemeckis duo that led to Roger Rabbit, Tim Burton reinvigorated stop motion animation with Nightmare before christmas, etc. etc. Than when Frank Wells died...Eisner got greedy and these talented people abandoned disney in droves. Eisner than brought in alot of consultants and people with a merchandising and marketing angle and he became obsessed with the bottom line and short term gains instead of long term shareholder value. This led to the second half of Eisners tenure, also known as The Dark Ages.
Originally Posted By Mr X Skellington, Jon has been around the Disney parks alot longer than you...and I'd hardly call his comments "propaganda". You can go ahead and assume a bunch of conspiracy theories of you want (keep in mind, you have NO idea what actually went on and you never will...please stop with stupid ignorant comments like "Eisner got greedy", and "Frank Wells who mediated the big egos", and anything else that you could not have any POSSIBLE idea were true or not except for lame internet rumor), but dude...you're still a young guy, obviously (I visited Epcot for the first time around the time you were BORN), and you're pretty clueless and just spouting off stuff you've read from Al Lutz or other blowhards on the internet. Please, give us all a break, okay?
