Alice to become part of "small world" - WDI

Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt

^^Certainly more so than the Lincoln in the Disney Gallery space story, that's for sure.

 

Originally Posted By Dabob2

<This is why nothing of any great popularity can be put in that spot. >

FWIW, Lincoln in the mid 60's was very popular (considered something of a marvel at the time). Not only that, everybody under 17 got a special, free ticket just to see him. As a result, it was one of the few attractions we did just about EVERY visit. And I can remember the lobby being packed until the newness wore off, but never spilling into the street.

 

Originally Posted By FerretAfros

I know it will never happen, but do you guys think it would be neat if they switched out the dolls for AA's similar to the Sinbad ones in TDS? They are a similar scale, but highly advanced technologically. Their movements made the Auctioneer in POTC look really bad, and even showed up Buzz a lot of the time. It would be rediculously expensive to replace all the AA's (the replacements could do the same motions, limiting the cost of each figure because of the simple movements), but I think it would really add to the experience. They are very believable and amazing to just watch how they work. Or is this too much of a departure from the "original", even if they look the same?

 

Originally Posted By Daannzzz

"""I know it will never happen, but do you guys think it would be neat if they switched out the dolls for AA's similar to the Sinbad ones in TDS?""
This was my thinking as well. Forget spending the money to bring the animated characters in and use the funds to upgrade the dolls. I don't think all of the dolls should be upgraded but perhaps a few key choices in each scene. They have made such big advances in small animatronics I would love to see some of them used in "small world"

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"Lincoln in the mid 60's was very popular "

As you say, it never had a line out the door, and certainly nothing to the extent the muppets would have created. And by 1971, crowds had dissipated so much they replaced the attraction.

The removal of the ticket system has really been a problem for shows like this. Whereas before, you'd have tickets you could ONLY use on these lesser things, spreading the crowds out in the process, now, everything basically costs the exact same thing, be it Haunted Mansion or the Carousel.

That has skewed things so that it is now very difficult to make these smaller things like Pooh. It costs you the exact amount something like Haunted Mansion does. So people will compare it to Haunted Mansion, and of course it will come out lacking.

 

Originally Posted By threeundertwo

>>but stories from those cultures are a part of those cultures,>>

My daughter pointed out that she has no problem with Stitch because there are already Mermaids. It's not like realism abounds in iasw.

On the other hand, if they add Ariel to the Mermaid section, I'll get upset. I'm getting Arieled-out.

 

Originally Posted By lesmisfan

i hope i didn't come off as attacking you shiva. I wasn't. True disney will do whatever they will do if they feel its to benefit the company. I just wish their solutions didn't involve placing disney characters in a ride that doesn't need them.

 

Originally Posted By Dabob2

<As you say, it never had a line out the door, and certainly nothing to the extent the muppets would have created. >

I've never seen a line for Muppets at either DCA or MGM. And I saw it at MGM when it was still fairly new, and on a crowded day. The theatre is pretty large (as is the Lincoln theatre) and handles crowds pretty well.

Now, they did create lots of queue SPACE in both instances, but I don't think it's necessary. I never really used the queue for Country Bears, either, after the first couple of years.

I think they could have handled the crowds for the Muppets on main street if they'd wanted to. It's actually on the widest part of main street, and any spillover crowds would have died down after a year or two. Even if it spilled over a little early on, I don't think it would have been worse than the early years of Indy and its queues down Main Street.

 

Originally Posted By gadzuux

I've seen crowds and surprisingly long lines on main street for the AP processing center at the bank location - right next door to the opera house.

 

Originally Posted By monorailblue

<<As you say, it never had a line out the door, and certainly nothing to the extent the muppets would have created.>>

Keep thinking this, if it comforts you.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"I've never seen a line for Muppets at either DCA or MGM."

They did not know that would not happen at DL. You can't plan for an attraction to be UNpopular.

"Keep thinking this, if it comforts you."

I am thinking this not because it comforts me, but because it makes the most common sense. Something you should try investing in.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

And aside from this, you're going to tell me when Lincoln had a line outside the door in the 1960s? Please. Are you even over 30 years old? Were you even there?

 

Originally Posted By Shiva

>>i hope i didn't come off as attacking you shiva.<<

lesmisfan, this is a discussion board and you and I are friends, there was never any offense taken. I even had a good chuckle over the Stitch, Mowgli and Baloo comments. Let's just hope Disney doesn't read what you said and get any more bright ideas. One thing I keep reminding myself is that most of us would be considered extreme enthusiasts and make up a fairly small percentage of the visiting guests. We seem to resist change so much more that most and as a rule feel the classics should remain untouched. I'm no different than anyone else, I just hope the changes are, minimal, tasteful and don't diminish any of the original flavor and charm of the attraction.

 

Originally Posted By SoThisIsLove

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APmHR2bmQgw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
=APmHR2bmQgw</a>

Work with me here:

<<most of us would be considered extreme enthusiasts>>

Thinking of the recent Baloo Meet pictures...when the kids start coming out of the clock, we could have Shiva boy in his Pirate ears, IamSally girl in her engineer outfit, Mr Baloo boy in his tropical shirt and Mrs Baloo girl in her matching dress...and so on.

If you're going to do something as sacrosanct as mess with IASW, then at least pay homage to LP purists. One of y'all could be pictured in your best resort wear strangling a "suit child".

 

Originally Posted By Dabob2

<<"I've never seen a line for Muppets at either DCA or MGM.">>

<They did not know that would not happen at DL. You can't plan for an attraction to be UNpopular.>

No, but the "no room for a queue" doesn't ring true to me. (Nor does the "fans insisted Lincoln stay"). My guess is the real answer is the simplest one: they decided to stay with what they had because it was less expensive to do so. And/or someone who still cared about theming realized the Muppets didn't belong on Main Street.

If they'd gone with Muppets, additional queue space could have been found in the lobby itself (no need for the Walt offices any more), an adjacent shop, or in a real pinch in the first year or so they could even have used the space under the train station (that I only saw used in the 60's when the PW was new and everybody wanted to see the dinos. That was one of the longest lines I EVER waited in, believe it or not), creating a gap in the line, yes, but they've done that before with Indy and Splash. But I don't think that would ever have been necessary.

 

Originally Posted By jonvn

"No, but the "no room for a queue" doesn't ring true to me."

Where would you put it? There really is no room for one.

Think about the queue line at MGM. It's very large. That is what they were planning for with this attraction. Even if it is not used. Where would that have been able to go on Main Street?

 

Originally Posted By Britain

They could have easily reversed the flow through the theater (enter through the left, exit through the right) and build overflow line in a new building in the lot in between Lincoln and Space Mountain.

 

Originally Posted By Britain

"put the overflow line" I should say.

 

Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt

"They could have easily reversed the flow through the theater (enter through the left, exit through the right) and build overflow line in a new building in the lot in between Lincoln and Space Mountain."

Isn't that the backstage area where the parades go?

 

Originally Posted By ShivaThDestroyer

>>when the kids start coming out of the clock, we could have Shiva boy in his Pirate ears...<<

somehow I find the thought of that a little unsettling. It would be a fashion fax paux for me to wear the same ears everyday. A good Shiva never wears the same set 2 days in a row and usually packs enough Ears for a fresh set or 2 for every day of a visit. Let's just leave those cute little clock guys alone and honor Walt's legacy instead.

<<most of us would be considered extreme enthusiasts>>

it sounded better than saying obsessed.

SoThisIsLove, thank you also for posting that link. RU42 has always been my favorite videographer on YouTube and I love viewing his Disney clips. Here's his home page with links to all 56 of his clips. They're well worth watching.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/ru42?ob=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/user/ru
42?ob=1</a>