All the negative comments

Originally Posted By danyoung

<<The biggest problem that I find on these boards is the arrogant, condescending manner that some individuals feel that they have to use.>>

>Really? Who uses such a tone? I must be tone deaf because I sure haven't noticed it.<

Sigh. My friend Spirit (and I do consider you a friend!), do you not see that whenever someone speaks of this type of tone, most of the time they're talking about you? I don't want to hurt your feelings (if that's even possible!), but a lot of times you come across as extremely arrogant as well as dismissive of others who have differing opinions. Most of us simply accept this as the way you do business, and attempt to read between the lines. You were not this way in the past few posts on this thread, which is kinda nice.

Now, you're not the only one who adopts this type of tone - there are plenty of arrogant,condescending folks around here, as well as plenty of folks who just express their opinion and then listen to others express theirs. It's all part of the magic of an online fansite!

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

>>>He was on your side, and accusing others of re-writing history. <<<

Who has been doing that? No one is changing the facts here, it's all opinion.

 

Originally Posted By skinnerbox

<<Do you know at Walmart yesterday there were only 4 checkers with about a hundred person crowd. Long waits, but since I was enjoying the conversation with the person ahead of me it felt very fast. GOOD THINGS!!!!!>>

Imagine for a moment that every single time you went to WalMart, there were very long lines at checkout. Every. Single. Time. What would you do?

Would you continue to shop at WalMart?

Would you complain to the manager of the store?

Would you complain online in a discussion board?

Or would you simply put on your rose-colored glasses and tolerate the 30 min line at checkout, because there's enough "GOOD THINGS!!!" at WalMart to offset the horrific wait at the registers?

Most individuals would not tolerate perpetually long lines at checkout without leaving and/or complaining, and rightfully so. Retailers expecting customers to tolerate long lines is nothing but greedy arrogance. I would hope businesses that conduct such practices wouldn't remain in business for very long.

Well, this is how Disney has been treating its park and resort customers. Higher prices, lower quality food and merch, longer lines, et al. It's no different.

I highly doubt even you would tolerate long lines at WalMart every single time you shopped there. You would eventually get frustrated and complain. So why do folks complaining about their frustrating experiences at WDW bother you so much?

If you wish to go through life wearing rose-colored glasses all the time, that's your choice. But you have no right to complain about those who choose NOT to wear those glasses and experience the world from a more neutral position.


<<You guys seems to want everything perfect, life isn't like that.>>

Actually, the same could be stated about you, since you're the one putting on the rose-colored glasses.

Individuals who do so typically want a perfect life but obviously cannot achieve it, so they filter everything through a Pollyanna mentality to avoid emotional pain. The rose-colored glasses are buffers against uncomfortable or unpleasant feelings. Same could also be argued about Disney devotion. They're all variations on a theme.

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

^ And we shall call it Walmarting. ;-)

 

Originally Posted By KatieKate123

About a long line at Walmart every time I WOULDN"T GO BACK to walmart I might go to a different place but no I would never discuss in online. Thats the point. If you don't like it, or how you are treated don't go back.

 

Originally Posted By KatieKate123

About wanting life perfect all of the time, and this is why I wear rose colored glasses, you are wrong on that statement. I only wear rose colored glasses when it might damper my fun or make me frustrated. Example: long lines at stores, TRAFFIC, vacations to anywhere. But on a regular basis, I wear regular glasses (well I don't wear any glasses but you know what I mean). Life has been very tough for me, and its not getting easier, so when I go on vacation or do the small things in life I try to be happy b/c some of the big things are hard for me to be happy about.

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

>>>About a long line at Walmart every time I WOULDN"T GO BACK to walmart I might go to a different place but no I would never discuss in online. Thats the point. If you don't like it, or how you are treated don't go back.<<<

So every single visit to Walmart has been absolutely perfect? Nothing to mention in the least that wasn't the best?

You do realize that just like you, we still find WDW to be a overall pleasant and positive experience, but not EVERYTHING is perfect? And we discuss that?

...What is so bad about that? Can't you just accept that we like talking about things?

I accept that you don't, for instance...I mean, save for the fact that you dislike us so much for saying something "negative" or different.


Sorry to be blunt... but you are talking in circles.

 

Originally Posted By KatieKate123

I am talking in circles b/c you guys aren't waking up and smelling the coffee. TO be BLUNT why don't you all stop complaining and actually talk about something enjoyable. Yes there are things wrong at Walmart, and yes I might even talk to a manager about those things, but I would never discuss those things online with strangers. I figure that I would let everyone get their own experience with the place and their own opinions. So to be BLUNT I tend to only talk about good things, because I don't know any of you and instead of sitting here saying boo hoo walmart didn't have any paper towels, I instead say I really had a nice conversation with the lady in front of me. So to be BLUNT I am a positive person, so maybe you all are usually negative????

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

>>>TO be BLUNT why don't you all stop complaining and actually talk about something enjoyable<<<

Have you read any of our posts recently? There is A LOT of talk about positive things. I've mentioned PotC. Spirit is actually throwing a few bones to WDW in his posts. LOTS of people are commending people about the new Lines Command Center featured in the NYT Article.

I REALLY think you are just looking for our "negative" posts, and only seeing those.

And before you say that's all we do for WDW, it's not true. Look around. We have good things to say.


>>>but I would never discuss those things online with strangers<<<

So because that's how you lead YOUR life, we should all follow suit?


>>>I figure that I would let everyone get their own experience with the place and their own opinions<<<

Who's preventing that here? To look at it conversely, if you keep putting out positive things, you are doing the same thing... People can't form their own opinions because you keep hyping things in a positive light? Like I said, there has to be a balance. And there is. If you look for it.

Just a thought.

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

At least she wasn't blunt about it.

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

LOL.

 

Originally Posted By skinnerbox

<<Life has been very tough for me, and its not getting easier, so when I go on vacation or do the small things in life I try to be happy b/c some of the big things are hard for me to be happy about.>>

Save it. Life is very tough for billions of people on the planet. That's just how it goes for 90% of the world's population. And on this discussion board, you are not the only one facing difficult situations. Some of us are dealing with life-threatening issues that have very little chance of improving in the long term.

You come on this board and cry and whine about how difficult things have become for you. Then you expect us to have sympathy for your situation and support you by only discussing POSITIVE things in an effort to salve your easily bruised feelings. You expect us to do these things, all the while you're telling us about how eager you are over your next WDW vacation.

We're supposed to feel sympathetic for how life is so very tough for you. Yet, you can still somehow find the money to go to Disney World.

Well... if life is so very tough for you, why are you wasting precious resources on a Disney vacation that your daughter can certainly live without?


I'm old enough to be your parent. I'm probably even old enough to be your grandparent. And if you were my kid, I'd slap those rose-colored glasses off your pretty little face and tell you to grow up.

I know people in their mid-fifties, who have been unemployed for two years or more now, who are burning through their retirement nest eggs to keep from becoming homeless, who have little to no chance of being employed, ever again. They aren't young like you are. They're not going to get a second chance. Employers look at them like lepers because of their age. And one of them has a wife whose cancer has returned, and they cannot afford health insurance to treat it.

All of these middle aged professionals have it very tough right now. Think they're going to waste their savings on WDW vacations? Think again. They're more responsible than that.


So if you have it so very tough, my dear... why are YOU wasting YOUR savings so irresponsibly?

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

But not to be blunt about it, ay, Skinner?

 

Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance

I don't know about you Katie, but I've felt this past year I've gotten to know quite a few people on this forum, and I wouldn't think twice about complaining about a negative experience I had at the park or Walmart for that matter.

And I also don't know about you, but I feel like some people actually appreciate hearing about negative experiences others have experienced because it can actually help them steer clear of experiencing the same things at the parks. It might even help them to have a more positive experience if they are more informed with the good and the bad info all at once.

You think a discussion forum was made so people could come on and only talk about happy things all of the time? Never actually discuss anything because what's there to discuss if you're only going to say how rosy and cheery everything is?

I feel like that's a bit annoying and in-genuine, and I don't think most people appreciate that quality in people they converse with regularly. Especially when they feel they have to impose on others conversations if they don't feel 100% in line with everything being said.

 

Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance

"Yes there are things wrong at Walmart, and yes I might even talk to a manager about those things, but I would never discuss those things online with strangers. I figure that I would let everyone get their own experience with the place and their own opinions. So to be BLUNT I tend to only talk about good things, because I don't know any of you"

I seem to recall a topic or two created by you for the sole purpose of discussing very personal things going on in your relationships at home. Why would you discuss that online with a bunch of people you don't know, but you won't even discuss Walmart being out of paper towels.

And another thing, I seem to remember you being fairly negative with the Value Resort hotels when you came home from your WDW trip. Even tried to talk me out of ever staying at one when the Moderate hotels were just a bit more.
Should I have taken offense to that negativity? After all, I had always planned on staying at a value resort, and then with your experiences with them, decided to give the moderate hotels another look.
Should I have been grateful or angry?

 

Originally Posted By KatieKate123

No actually saying something nice about Disney world is not stopping people from having their own opinions. Disney says good things about themselves 2. You are right though, you may say anything negatve you want so I will let this drop.

 

Originally Posted By KatieKate123

No I wasn't really negative about the value resorts, I was telling you that you got more value for your money at moderate. Oh and skinner not everything is about money that makes life hard. Just remember that. Some things are much more serious and personal than money issues. Money issues means you can go to a homeless shelter and get help there are other issues that people can't help you for.

 

Originally Posted By danyoung

Well, this took a personal turn. While I'm on record as not wanting to quash an ongoing conversation, it does seem as if this one is fast descending into personal insults rather than intelligent discourse.

Katie, I was with you earlier when you were worried about the overabundance of negativity on this forum, and I'm still concerned about it. But I would never try to say that no one should ever say anything negative about the Disney parks, as there are plenty of negative things to discuss. All I've said all along is that things need to be kept in some sort of balance. It's no fun to read about all of the troubles someone had on vacation, and at the end he/she will say "but it really was a fun vacation!" Gripe gripe gripe but then say that overall they had fun? That's out of balance! Keep Disney's corporate feet to the flame, but don't let it overwhelm and influence everything you write about the parks.

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

>>>No actually saying something nice about Disney world is not stopping people from having their own opinions. Disney says good things about themselves 2. You are right though, you may say anything negatve you want so I will let this drop.<<<<

All this, for this for this response. Essentially aggravation en masse suddenly dropped?

Is anyone else familiar with the term "trolling"?