Originally Posted By Labuda Rsey - the feathers, as she told us early on, are a tribute to Lily Allen, another top 24 person who was eliminated too early in Crystal's opinion.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I don't get that vibe from Lee at all. I think he pretty much stuck to what was comfortable for him the whole season. Shy - yes. A bit overwhelmed right now - yes. But I think he knows who he is and what he wants to do. I don't think he's a complete push over.> Maybe not. But I get the vibe that if 19 insisted on something (like a Kara song or 5 on his album), he'd be so grateful/happy/not-wanting-to-rock-the-boat that he'd do it. Maybe I'm wrong. We're both just going on "vibes" we get, obviously. <I love Crystal but something about her makes me thing - future diva. A bit stubborn. I think Crystal is going to make it and I also think we are going to be seeing her on People; the ups and downs of Crystal Bowersox.> It's weird. I could see that too. AND I could see her getting fed up with the whole music biz machine and chucking it all, going back to raise her kid and sing when she feels like it.
Originally Posted By TINK-MOBILE Just hope they both put on a great show, they both already have it made in the shade. Shouldn't you only be allowed one vote .
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 Sorta off-topic, but... I just read today that next season the Tuesday competition show will be 90 minutes long and the Wednesday results show will be 30 minutes long. Hmmmmmm...
Originally Posted By Labuda Heinz - I hadn't heard that about the performance shows, but I *had* already heard that results are going to 30 minutes long. My reaction: THANK YOU, FOX!
Originally Posted By Lisann22 Apparently they are going to mix it up a bit, I read both changes too. Good! I never watch the results show unless a musician I like is going to be on.
Originally Posted By danyoung >The vibe I get is that Lee will say "yes" to whatever 19 suggests - and they like that idea.< Anybody who wins will say yes to any idea that 19 comes up with - that's all part of the contract. I think they give the artist 1 song to choose - the rest are picked by the company. So either winner will do what they're told, at least for that first album. That's why many people think Adam Lambert threw the finale last year - so that he'd come in number 2, still have all the publicity, but be able to make his own album right off the bat. >That girl looks like something they pulled out from under a bridge.< I haven't been following this entire thread, but Rsey, your last couple of comments just make you sound ridiculous. This is a musical competition, not a beauty contest. I think Crystal has an amazing voice and an incredibly appealing style. If her look is a little quirky, so freakin' what? Your judgements on her appearance seem to be keeping you from the fact that she's got some serious chops!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<This is a musical competition, not a beauty contest.>> While I agree that Rsey made some rather rude comments, AI is not just a singing competition. Like it or not, image is a huge part of the music industry. I'd argue that it's often even more important than actual talent, especially when I see so many successful "artists" who leave me scratching my head and thinking to myself, "he/she can't sing!" Truthfully, it's tougher on women too, because guys get more of a pass relative to their looks. I think a case could be made that the only reason Crystal has made it to the final two is because she is such a massively gifted singer.
Originally Posted By danyoung I don't disagree with you, Russ. But I still think that dismissing someone just because of how they look is incredibly small minded.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 >>The vibe I get is that Lee will say "yes" to whatever 19 suggests - and they like that idea.<< <Anybody who wins will say yes to any idea that 19 comes up with - that's all part of the contract. I think they give the artist 1 song to choose - the rest are picked by the company. So either winner will do what they're told, at least for that first album.> Is that a guess, or did you actually read that some place? Link? It doesn't sound quite right, because I remember at least as recently as 2 years ago, David Cook wrote or co-wrote 9 of the tunes on his first album; as he's an unproven songwriter (at that point), I would think 19 would have insisted on other material if they'd really had that much control. <That's why many people think Adam Lambert threw the finale last year - so that he'd come in number 2, still have all the publicity, but be able to make his own album right off the bat.> I didn't think Adam Lambert "threw" the finale last year - I think he actually performed his butt off, and the judges pretty much gave it to him too. The year before, they even set up that silly "boxing match" thing with "rounds" between Cook and David Archuletta, and I remember they gave 2 of the 3 rounds to Archuletta. In the end, though, it didn't matter; the voters overruled the judges in both cases. I agree that Lambert was probably better off coming in second, but I don't think he threw the finale.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Is that a guess, or did you actually read that some place?< Sorry, I can't give you specifics. I read it somewhere in the past few years, and I don't remember who it pertained to. If David Cook did write most of his tunes, good for him, and good for 19 in realizing that they had a real talent there. >I didn't think Adam Lambert "threw" the finale last year - I think he actually performed his butt off...< This will come down as a totally subjective thing, but Adam's last few performances seemed very sub-par for him, at least to me. I was rooting for him and voting for him, and was totally disappointed when he didn't win. But after looking at the aftermath of the contest, it's really clear to me that he did much better on his own rather than continuing to be the spokesman for a contest. And I really believe that's the way he wanted it.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It's all guesswork on our part, of course. I remember thinking myself (and a lot of people saying) that Adam would be better off in second place - that's one reason I was sort of surprised he seemed to be really going for it in the finale, and why I noticed that. Of course, he could be twice the showman of Kris Allen with hardly trying (and I liked Kris just fine).
Originally Posted By SFH trekkeruss is right about AI not being a signing competition (no matter how many times Simon said it was). Singing is just part of it. It is a TV show. The performers are in a PERFORMING competition that includes singing, maybe playing an instrument or two, some choreography, and overall look and personality. For example, if someone comes across as a major jerk, they may not get far even if they are technically a great vocalist. I can't help but think of Milli Vanilli. If someone really like the music and singing, why would they throw out their albums when it was exposed that the dancer/models represented as the singers weren't actually the singers? Because people bought the albums more on IMAGE. The music was still the same, even when you found out that three other people were doing the actual singing. I suppose some people really did throw out their copies on moral grounds, but still - the music was the same.
Originally Posted By danyoung >For example, if someone comes across as a major jerk, they may not get far even if they are technically a great vocalist.< That's very true, especially when you add in the element of people voting for their favorite. Do you think all those people in Texas voted for Casey James because they thought he had the best voice? No way - it was because he was a favorite son, a home boy. Remember Jasmine Treas from a few years ago? Really cute, incredibly average singer, but she made it to the top 3 because most of the state of Hawaii was voting for her. But then, there's nothing really wrong with the concept that the music industry is about image just as much as it is about music. Remember Christopher Cross? His career was basically wiped out by MTV, once people got a good look at him. It's all about image and packaging in the big companies, with music in the mix there but not the sole factor.
Originally Posted By Labuda psst... SFH... I h and I have Milli Vanilli on my ipod Anyhow, watching tonight's episode right now...one thing to say: WHAT IS UP WITH THEM NOT DOING ORIGINAL SONGS FOR THE FINAL SONG? Didn't they *always* write a new song that both of them did in years past? It's weirding me out that Lee did the U2 song "Beautiful Day" and Crystal did "Up to the Mountain" by someone named Patty Griffin - I don't know the song at all. Anyhow, am I correct in thinking this is the first year the final song/potential single for the two finalists is different? Honestly, for me, Lee doing U2 was wayyyy better than the song Crystal did, but overall, I prefer Crystal's performances tonight.
Originally Posted By onlyme I'm watching right now and I'm bored to death. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but this just ain't working for me. Maybe I'll check out Biggest Loser.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 After tonight's show, I voted for the first time ever. Crystal is three times the singer Lee is.
Originally Posted By Labuda Heinz - I agree completely. Crystal is a much better performer and singer than Lee. Lee is much easier on my eyes, but, yeah, Crystal is someone whose music I will buy.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 Okay, I do like Crystal more than Lee but it's kind of like Crystal is awesome and Lee is very good. As far as song selection, I feel now like Idol built up Lee for 4 weeks, put down Crystal for 4 weeks to build for a big finale and then to use baseball analogy... They gave Lee songs that were 100mph marbles on the outside of the plate and gave Crystal big fat slow watermelons right across the plate. It didn't even seem fair. Lee's songs sucked and Crystal's were form fitted. Lee got the bra that rides up in the back and your fun bags burst out of the top and Crystal got a custom fitted $100 Maidenform. Lee got a plain cheese pizza and Crystal got the supreme pizza with all the fixin. Lee got a plate of beans and rice and Crystal got a combination plate with an enchilada, taco, tamale, beans and rice. Lee got Budweiser, Crystal got Heineken. Lee got the Ford Focus and Crystal got well any other kinda car. I could go on and on. <sigh>
