Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "I came away from watching this film thinking Al Gore is a great American. I came away from this film thinking George Bush is a repugnant hack." Funny, I felt that way before seeing the movie and at the election!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "What can I say? It's a real bummer that happened (not to mention illegal), especially looking at how much Bush has embarrassed and harmed America." I used to believe in democracy years ago, but it was put on life support in 2000, and died in 2004.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Al Gore made the film!" Actually, no he did not. A man named Davis Guggenheim did. "Did you actually think you would come away from the film supporting our President?" Our current President is an incompetent buffoon. When he leaves office, the nation will be far better off, not because of the things he has done to make our lives better, but by simply no longer being in office. Have you seen the movie? Why don't you watch it. "I haven't seen the movie, but understand it mentions the possibility of twenty foot rises." Then perhaps you should watch it. What he actually says is that there is the potential. He does not say it will, and he quotes science to make these comments. He also says if we do NOTHING, which is what many seem to advocate because it's just NOT TRUE, then the problem is only going to get worse. The actual discussion is about the melting of the ice shelfs in Greenland and Antartica, and that it is happening much faster than what science had originally thought. That if entire sections of Antartica melted away, it could raise the seas by 20 feet. If Greenland melts away (both of these things are happening) then that would be yet ANOTHER 20 feet of sea rise. That is the potential. Together it is 40 feet. If it is only half as bad as that, it's 20 feet. That's what I recall. Again, I suggest seeing the movie because a lot of nonsense has been floated about it, and it simply is a very interesting and worthwhile thing to see.
Originally Posted By jonvn Oh, and about the sea level thing again. I don't believe he gives a timetable of 10 years or 100 years for a 20 foot rise in sea level. But, if you consider that the rise in the sea is going to be 23 inches in 100 years, and will continue for 1000 years, then wouldn't that be 230 inches? 240 inches is 20 feet. So he's not an alarmist at all, he's pretty much saying the same thing this report is, just in a different way so that it has more impact on people's understanding.
Originally Posted By Mr X Well, who cares about THAT Jon. After all, we'll be dead. (that's where the whole "custodians of the planet" comes into play...and what our decendents might say about 20th century people as they clean up our mess!)
Originally Posted By jonvn All I know is that WDW will be safe, so I'm ok with tens of millions of people being displaced, and the untold suffering that will happen.
Originally Posted By DAR I've got this in the rental queue and plan on watching it soon. Does anyone know if the BBC documentary that acts as a rebuttal is out on dvd? I'd like to watch both back to back to see what sides both movies present. I did that with Fahrenheit 9/11 and Fahrenhype 9/11. Both movies made good points early on but the filmmaker's egos got in the way.
Originally Posted By DAR ^^^Thanks the problem is not many documentaries present an alternate point of view. Of course some don't need to. I just saw Enron the Smartest Guys in the Room and you really don't need a rebuttal for that one.
Originally Posted By Mr X I'd like to see that one! (I'm currently short selling Countrywide Financial...the company that I firmly believe is the NEXT Enron!)
Originally Posted By DAR <<I'd like to see that one! >> It's pretty incredible you pretty much come across with the feeling that Ken Lay and especially Jeff Skilling were nothing but a bunch (Please note LP standards prevent DAR from saying what he thinks)
Originally Posted By DAR No not bananas or crooks. If you've ever seen Deadwood you might know the word I'm thinking of.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Oooh!! I know!! (raises hand!) I know!! One of the five English words Mr. Woo knows (and loves to use).
Originally Posted By jonvn OK, I know the word. I couldn't watch that show again after the little boy died. I just could not do it. That was it for me. How did it end, anyway? What happened in the last season?
Originally Posted By DAR I don't have HBO anymore so I'm going to have to catch-up when the dvd comes out. Though with Sopranos and Entourage coming back I may have to get it again.
Originally Posted By friendofdd >>>Oh, and about the sea level thing again. I don't believe he gives a timetable of 10 years or 100 years for a 20 foot rise in sea level. But, if you consider that the rise in the sea is going to be 23 inches in 100 years, and will continue for 1000 years, then wouldn't that be 230 inches? 240 inches is 20 feet. So he's not an alarmist at all, he's pretty much saying the same thing this report is, just in a different way so that it has more impact on people's understanding.<<< Thanks for answering my question, Jonvn. I probably won't see the film until it is on tv, as I only go to movies once or twice a year, and only to some which interests DW. Is it your opinion that Mr Gore is referring to a thousand year period when he speaks of a 20 foot sea rise? It seems strange to me he doesn't mention the time line when it is so readily apparent in the UN summary, which, basically, seems to agree with him on most points.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Is it your opinion that Mr Gore is referring to a thousand year period when he speaks of a 20 foot sea rise?" I don't know. I think he was trying to as accurately as possible reflect what is current thinking of science on the subject. He was also trying to state things so that they would have impact on the listeners. There are two things. One, I don't have the film and his comments committed to memory, and two, his entire presentation may not have been included in the film. So whether he says 100 or 1000 years, I can not say at all. But the two numbers do correlate in the manner I point out. The movie is out on DVD now, and on it, there is an update where he talks about how things have simply continued along at a growing rate since the film was made. So it is worth seeing the dvd.
Originally Posted By Mr X Thing is, what if it DOES take 1,000 years? It's still devestating, just not for us. The RESPONSIBLE thing to do would be to start making changes NOW, but if you put it in a 1,000 year time frame, few would care. It's one thing to contemplate what might happen to our children, or even our great-grandchildren, but a whole other thing to try and consider the ramifications for our distant decendents. Even though somewhat "alarmist", putting it into a time-frame that everyone can grasp does make sense, if Gore does indeed care about the world in a historical sense.
