Originally Posted By gadzuux "Making changes now" requires the participation of corporations, and they don't want to do it. They'd rather spend their money and energies backing psuedo-science that purports to debunk the "myth" of climate change, and bankrolling corrupt politicians to stave off regulations that are inevitable. Anything else would be an admission that they're partly responsible for the problem.
Originally Posted By friendofdd >>>Thing is, what if it DOES take 1,000 years? It's still devestating, just not for us.<<< Mr X, I'm assuming you are serious about this statement. Essentially, the sea rise is a flood. If it occurs over a period of a thousand years, there are probably more numerous ways to address the problem than if it occurs in a hundred years or less.
Originally Posted By jonvn The thing is it will devastate major amounts of land all around the world, displace tens of millions, remove snow from all but the highest mountaintops, etc. And we need to address the issue starting now, because we're already starting to see the consequences. And it's not going to get better on its own. A lot of suffering and misery is going to come about because of this, and by delaying action, we are making the problem worse every single day.
Originally Posted By Mr X Yes, I agree. And DD, sure there are more ways to address the problem if it takes a long time...but to look at it another way, it will only get worse and worse, quicker and quicker, if we do nothing. Not to mention the fact that some of these polar meltings are occuring much faster than scientists had predicted even a few years ago! So, who knows how much worse things will become if we continue to delay and procrastinate!? I have a child. And I AM concerned about her future, and the future of her kids!
Originally Posted By mrichmondj << The thing is it will devastate major amounts of land all around the world, displace tens of millions, remove snow from all but the highest mountaintops, etc. >> The number of displaced people is in the hundreds of millions, even using the conservative climate change models.
Originally Posted By friendofdd I am not an advocate of do nothing, or wait a while. I am simply saying it will be possible to use remedys more successfully over a thousand years than over a hundred. And I do not understand how it is beneficial to us for Mr Gore to not be plain spoken on the timeline. I can see how he might personally benefit, but this is really not about him. It is about Mother Earth.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 < How did it end, anyway? What happened in the last season?> Sorry for the OT-ness, but... Deadwood ended with a lot of loose ends. They thought they were getting picked up for another season, so they were fine with leaving the loose ends. Then when they found out they weren't, they talked about filming one or two 2-hour movies to tie it up, but I haven't heard anything about that lately. A pity - I was into that series and I wanna know how it ends! Back on topic - I saw An Inconvenient Truth months ago, so I'm not sure how plain spoken Gore was on the timeline, but the rising ocean is just one of the problems associated with climate change, and not necessarily the one that bites us in the butt first, anyway.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka <<And I do not understand how it is beneficial to us for Mr Gore to not be plain spoken on the timeline.>> People are jumping on him for being too specific and people are jumping on him for not being specific enough. Why would he be more plain spoken when people will just use it against him?
Originally Posted By jonvn "I am simply saying it will be possible to use remedys more successfully over a thousand years than over a hundred." A thousand year journey begins in the first year. You don't start doing it all in 1000 years on January 1. We need to start now, you see. And it's going to have to continue for a long time. "And I do not understand how it is beneficial to us for Mr Gore to not be plain spoken on the timeline." Maybe he is. You have to see the movie, or see his actual slideshow. Or ask him a direct question. I can only represent what I recall he has said. I do believe he is as accurately as possible reflecting current scientific thinking on the matter.
Originally Posted By NYthrillseeker <Al Gore needs to grow up and move on. He didn't get elected, they did the (several) recounts..get over it!> Al Gore has moved on, he's a lead researcher in the global warming debate now. And even though I don't truly believe we are in the danger people like him are saying we are, it's still good to know that he is putting forth this great effort in trying to make our planet a better place to live. Which is much more than I can say for the man he lost against. As far as him 'getting over it', if you were cheated out of the presidency, you wouldn't ever get over it.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad As long as Al Gore uses as much electricity as Manhattan, how am I supposed to be concerned about what he says about global warming...however I am going to watch the film and see what it's all about.
Originally Posted By jonvn Then ignore him and find out what's beind said by scientists around the world anyway. Not liking Al Gore is a very convienent excuse to ignore a very serious problem.
Originally Posted By JohnS1 "As far as him 'getting over it', if you were cheated out of the presidency, you wouldn't ever get over it." Yes, except that he wasn't cheated out of it. After all the media generated recounts and the conclusion by all involved that Gore lost, why do some people still think he really won? And if you're using the "electoral count versus popular vote" argument, start a movement to change the system.
Originally Posted By barboy "Not liking Al Gore is a very convienent excuse to ignore a very serious problem." Exactly!
Originally Posted By wildestdreams DVC dad - Excellent point about Gore's excessive electricity usage.. Amazing huh? John S1 - good point - thank you for stating truth. I also can't understand how people still think he won. Just goes to prove that even when fact is plain to see..people will still believe what they want.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Honestly, thanks for the advice on checking what scientists have to say about global warming. But pffft... I'll pass. I haven't got time to worry with something like global warming. I got 6 kids, the oldest is 12 and two in diapers. Global warming? Bah! Honestly, I couldn't care less about it. I know that sounds ugly and you probably think I'm an idiot, but I don't care, I am just being honest. If you people who are so up in arms about it really cared, you would find ways to reduce, reuse, and recycle beyond just the casual, "honey put that plastic water bottle in the green bin." I mean how much is really enough and where do you draw the line? "Okay dear, remember to set the programmable thermostat to 80 during the day and let it come down to 75 when we are home." Yeah riiiiiiight. If you are doing THAT, why not just turn it OFF like our great grandparents who had NO air conditioning. Heat your water with solar energy. Buy only hybrid cars. Take pubic transportation. Walk more, if you have to drive, carpool. Sell your house, move to Arcosanti. Go ahead, spout off alllllll you want to about global warming. I find that most of the people who say we should all be doing something, are in fact doing very little if anything......at least at a level that is significant in the big picture.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Go ahead, spout off alllllll you want to about global warming. I find that most of the people who say we should all be doing something, are in fact doing very little if anything......at least at a level that is significant in the big picture." Yeah, go ahead! Tell your kids to piss off! What doyou care! Screw 'em! Yee ha!
Originally Posted By JohnS1 Actually, if true - global warming will affect not your own kids, but their kids - so now it can be even more removed from our minds! (-: Most likely is that about the time global warming becomes something to woirry about, cyclical global cooling will have started - and then the earth, like Goldilocks' porridge, wil be "just right!"
Originally Posted By jonvn "I haven't got time to worry with something like global warming. I got 6 kids, the oldest is 12 and two in diapers. Global warming? Bah!" It's your children's world we're talking about. Do you not understand that? We'll be dead in a couple decades more or less. They've got to deal with the consequences. By starting now, we can reduce their suffering. But you seem to not care if your children suffer. That's fine with me. I care about mine.
