Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Thanks for the business lesson, but after having worked in the theme park industry for a while, I understand what they are doing. >> What role did you play in the theme park industry? << Disney is making literally tons of money all over the property. >> On DVC sales and real estate development. From an operational profit perspective, the results are only marginal right now and the outlook going forward is uncertain based on macroeconomic trends alone.
Originally Posted By jonvn "I am also pretty sure Walt didn't buy all that land to sell it off for profit." He didn't. He bought it for something that was never built.
Originally Posted By dshyates True. Very true. And to be honest this has more components from what EPCOT was supposed to be than most of what is now WDW. So I probably shouldn't have used the Walt analogy. But components of EPCOT in a strip mall and EPCOT as Walt envisioned it are very different.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains So I take it this is not an Anaheim Garden Walk - update thread anymore
Originally Posted By dshyates "What role did you play in the theme park industry?" I started out in the theme perk industry by accident. I was a student at an audio school in Richmond and got a gig mixing the audio track for Kings Dominion's Smurf Mountain train ride. It was an insipid tune that looped repeated throughout the ride. That lead to an audio engineering job in the park. Later when in school at Full Sail in Winter Park Florida I worked freelance in attraction construction and themeing at both Disney and Universal. Mostly airbrush painting on the Tower of Terror and exterior retouching at Universal. Then through school I got a gig as assistent audio designer for a TV show called "The Newz" that was in pre-production on the backlot of MGM. Hulk Hogan's Thunder in Paradise was in production in the office next to ours. When we went into production we moved up to Universal because they had a soundstage large enough for the set and the live audience. In '95 we moved to Colorado and I entered TV full time. In 03 I moved back to WV and am now shooting news. I should also add for this conversation that I taught skiing at Snowshoe and was on the ski patrol at Winterplace ski resorts in the late 80s-early 90s. After we moved to Colorado I have only enjoyed theme parks and Ski Resorts as a casual tourist. To be honest I like to ski but I don't like being cold, so I haven't been the last couple years. And I'm sitting here .6 of a mile from a ski resort and its dumping. Sorry to go on, but you did ask about one of my favorite subjects. Me. Go ahead and say that that hardl;y qualifies me to judge the decisions of the experts. Your right. Thats why I'm discussing it with you on an internet message board and not a Disney board room with someone important.
Originally Posted By dshyates Sorry i really did scream this thread to FL then to TX. OK lets get back on topic. So now Cheesecake factory and Bubba Gump are open. Anything else yet? And has anyone eaten at a Roy's of Hawaii? What's that all about? And where is the progress on construction of the hotels. I really need a Darkbeer photo update to keep me focused.
Originally Posted By TP2000 dshyates, I actually enjoyed your backstory. I missed you in Richmond by a few years, if you ever used to frequent the bars and beer soaked party pads of Shockoe Bottom. Is that even still a hangout anymore I wonder? Probably all condos and a Cheesecake Factory by now. And speaking of Cheesecake Factory!.... I have a small GardenWalk update, as I did notice Disney installed a HUGE electric sign at the CM lot across the street that says "HAVE YOUR ID AND HANG TAG READY". There were multiple Disney Security CM's checking the cars as they drove in too. So that tells me that Disney is concerned about GardenWalk customers (and maybe employees) parking for free in the CM lot across Katella. When GardenWalk gets hopping by next summer, parking will probably be tougher there than it is at Downtown Disney on date nights. Yikes!
Originally Posted By dshyates "if you ever used to frequent the bars and beer soaked party pads of Shockoe Bottom." Me? no, never, ok well a couple times.....a week. Yes Shockoe Bottom and Slip are still the party area. I saw moe. at Toad's place in Oct. They atually have a AGW type mall now out in Short Pump. With The Cheesecake Factory and Maggiano's Which I guess goes to prove everyones point that if Short Pump, Va. has one of these it is the definition of NOT unique.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<<< Disney is making literally tons of money all over the property. >> On DVC sales and real estate development. From an operational profit perspective, the results are only marginal right now and the outlook going forward is uncertain based on macroeconomic trends alone.>> This is a concern for me: that WDW is currently running on an unsustainable business model. They can sell only so many timeshares and rent out so many hotel rooms. Eventually the parks will have to carry their own weight, and if they can't, what will happen?
Originally Posted By mawnck Re: Anaheim Garden Walk - Remember the Anaheim Garden Walk? It's a topic about the Anaheim Garden Walk. (/Arlo Guthrie) >>does anyone know which restaurants will be open by new years eve and is this close to the castle inn?<< (Got your back, gottaluv)
Originally Posted By bean <a href="http://www.ocregister.com/news/hotels-prospera-anaheim-1936714-disney-timeshare" target="_blank">http://www.ocregister.com/news /hotels-prospera-anaheim-1936714-disney-timeshare</a>
Originally Posted By bean Is not a long walk from Castle Inn. Its basically around the corner. right behind the catsle inn is another motel. Garden walk borders that motel. So all you have to do is walk a few yards south on Harbor then turn left and Garden walk start 1/2 way down the block. <a href="http://maps.live.com/#JndoZXJlMT1hbmFoZWltJnNzPXlwLmRpc25leWxhbmQlN2Vzc3QuMCU3ZXBnLjEmYmI9NTUuNjc3NTg0NDExMDg5NSU3ZS02Ny4zMjQyMTg3NSU3ZTI4Ljk5ODUzMTgxNDA1MTglN2UtMTMyLjA5OTYwOTM3NQ==" target="_blank">http://maps.live.com/#JndoZXJl MT1hbmFoZWltJnNzPXlwLmRpc25leWxhbmQlN2Vzc3QuMCU3ZXBnLjEmYmI9NTUuNjc3NTg0NDExMDg5NSU3ZS02Ny4zMjQyMTg3NSU3ZTI4Ljk5ODUzMTgxNDA1MTglN2UtMTMyLjA5OTYwOTM3NQ==</a> the link should take you to an aerial view of hte area. the castle inn is next to an empty lot. the large lot behind the castle in is where Garden walk is being constructed
Originally Posted By bean lets try that again <a href="http://maps.live.com/#JnE9eXAuY2FzdGxlK2lubithbmFoZWltJTdlc3N0LjAlN2VwZy4xJmJiPTMzLjg5MjkzMjM5NDE5NTIlN2UtMTE3Ljc4OTIzMDM0NjY4JTdlMzMuNzcyODY5MDYzMTM0MyU3ZS0xMTguMDQyMjU5MjE2MzA5" target="_blank">http://maps.live.com/#JnE9eXAu Y2FzdGxlK2lubithbmFoZWltJTdlc3N0LjAlN2VwZy4xJmJiPTMzLjg5MjkzMjM5NDE5NTIlN2UtMTE3Ljc4OTIzMDM0NjY4JTdlMzMuNzcyODY5MDYzMTM0MyU3ZS0xMTguMDQyMjU5MjE2MzA5</a> zoom in and change to hybrid view
Originally Posted By bean the Buubba Gump and pizza place is right in the corner of clementine and katella. the future Disney run hotels will be in gardenwalk along clementine. and just for some information the empty lot northof that in the corner of clementine and Disney way is future parking staructure area for Disneyland resort. the large parking lots and large vacant lot south of KAtella between haster and Harbor is the third gate property
Originally Posted By TP2000 Hmm... the Disney canned response of "no comment at this time" pretty much confirms the scoop Miceage.com reported several months ago. For those that didn't read Al Lutz's report on that several months ago, he basically said that two hotels would be built at GardenWalk by a separate company and they would both then be operated by Disney once they were built. Al Lutz said this would be the first foray into off-property hotel operation for Disney, and the financial deal that gets the two hotels built by a separate company is also a new twist for Disney. This news plays right into the scenario Al Lutz laid out months ago, and the no comment response from TDA seals the deal. So two new hotels are coming to GardenWalk, to be staffed and operated by Disney and branded as some sort of new Disney hotel property. Exciting! Good news for Anaheim, for Disneyland Resort, and for GardenWalk!
Originally Posted By bean <a href="http://www.prosperahotels.com/portfolio.htm" target="_blank">http://www.prosperahotels.com/ portfolio.htm</a>
Originally Posted By bartholomewneff Will these hotels be "Disney run" bean? Or will they be licensed from Disney to have some form of a Disney theme and the company getting some form of a cut?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros What exactly will be the difference, operationally, from these "possible" hotels and the way the Disneyland Hotel was run until Disney bought it in the late 80's? It seems like the two will probably be pretty similar, from the little that I've heard about the GW hotels, which leads me to wonder if Disney will eventually spend an arm and a leg buying the hotel from them to get their own hotels to be completely run by them, but that's a different question entirely.
Originally Posted By jmuboy dshyates - I'm in mgmt at Kings Dominion and started my career there 16 years ago on the Haunted River and Smurf Mt during their waining years.
