Originally Posted By ecdc It's good to see DAR back to his old tricks of believing in a phantom. For a while there, he was being reasonable. Now we're back to him saying things no one ever said, then responding to what no one ever said. C'mon, DAR, you've demonstrated you're far more intelligent than this kind of strawman technique.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Has nobody here ever heard of satire and hyperbole? Do you honestly think she takes that seriously? Good grief.<< You can't possibly be serious. I have heard of satire and hyperbole, but Coulter's not doing that, and anyone who believes otherwise, is just desperate to march lockstep with their fellow conservatives. Ann Coulter said that 9/11 widows were enjoying their husbands deaths - hahahahaha!!! Oh, that's good times! Simply hilarious - what a clever bit of sarcasm! Wow, I wish I could be that witty and sharp! Nope, don't think so. Of course, I'm sure those who defend Coulter by saying it's just "sarcasm and hyperbole" will be just as quick to defend moveon.org, Cindy Sheehan, and Michael Moore the same way.
Originally Posted By ecdc Let me also add, I find it extremely ironic that anytime Coulter opens her fat mouth to spew the offensive crap she does, she's defended by conservatives. But if John Kerry bungles a joke about Bush, he's a terrorist-loving, troop-hating, anti-American suicide bomber. Conservatives are so hyper-sensitive with their fake outrage anytime someone says something they don't like about their country, that it's astounding that when Coulter says 9/11 widows are enjoying their husband's deaths (and could there be anything less patriotic than saying that?) people actually manage to defend it. Wow.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF "Arguments by name-calling, rather than truth and light, can generally be presumed fraudulent." -- Ann Coulter
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF >>Has nobody here ever heard of satire and hyperbole? Do you honestly think she takes that seriously? Good grief.<< OK, so by extension, I could say: - DAR is a weird guy because he's from Wisconsin, the state of weirdos; - Someone needs to put some birth control pills in DVC_dad's water supply; - Inspector57 is a nellie queen; - JohnS1 should get a real job instead of slumming at a bookstore. Or someone here could say I deserve my health problems because I'm gay. All of this is OK, you say, because it's said in satire and hyperbole? Uh-uh. (And for the record, I don't believe any of the above statements; I am trying to make a point here. I wouldn't say them, even in jest.)
Originally Posted By DAR <<It's good to see DAR back to his old tricks of believing in a phantom. For a while there, he was being reasonable. Now we're back to him saying things no one ever said, then responding to what no one ever said. C'mon, DAR, you've demonstrated you're far more intelligent than this kind of strawman technique.>> First all of I did respond by saying this wasn't specific to LP but to the media in general. Someohow that post got deleted. Second are you going to tell me that conservatives and liberals in the media are given equal treatment? That's simply a lie. Now the Hannity's and Rushes of the world won't give a pass to someone like Coutler and that's very hypocritical. But at the same time it's equally hypocritical that outlets like CNN, MSNBC, CBS and just about every newspaper arent' condemning something that a say a Rosie O'Donell says or does. Like always it has to be a two way street. If it's wrong for one group it's wrong for the other. Period end of story.
Originally Posted By DAR Coulter's statements about the 9/11 widows were extremely offensive(see ecdc I can admit to it) However these widows did make anti-government statements. Just like Cindy Sheehan did. Whenever you enter the poltical arena in this regard, you should fully expect to be challenged on these statements. Tragedy does not exempt you from this. Of course Ann Coutler is too stupid to realize this.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>First all of I did respond by saying this wasn't specific to LP but to the media in general. Someohow that post got deleted.<< First, my apologies if you'd posted a clarifying statement and it was deleted. >>Second are you going to tell me that conservatives and liberals in the media are given equal treatment? That's simply a lie.<< The only lie is the myth of the "liberal" media. As has been pointed out here before (superbly by Dabob), while individual newsmen and women tend to lean left, the corporations that own the vast, vast majority of news organizations are all Republican friendly. I think the media is about ratings, nothing more. If they can cover a story about John Kerry botching a joke or Howard Dean yelling, they'll do it. How well did that turn out for those guys? Likewise, if they can cover a story on Mitt Romney's hunting or Trent Lott's endorsement of Strom Thurmond, they'll do it. I think the only reason conservatives think the media is liberal is because they view the world in black and white terms - their terms, and the other sides. As others have said, if you're standing on the north pole, every direction is south. If conservatives hear a news story that doesn't espouse their perspective, suddenly, it's "liberal". It's not an either/or proposition. There's middle ground, nuance, etc. Time and time again we see the flaw in the "media is liberal" argument. Yet conservatives see the "evidence" for it anytime they see a story that dares to question conservatives or not paint a rosy picture of everything Republicans are doing.
Originally Posted By DAR Well we'll just agree to disagree on "the media is liberal" argument. But I will say this next November look at the editorial pages of most of the major newspapers, let me know who they are going to endorse and then we'll discuss this again.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>anytime Coulter opens her fat mouth<< Now now...have you seen hir? Try junk-toting stick figure. Anything but fat.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Just reading her own "defense" in post #30 reveals her contemptuous attitude towards edwards specifically and anyone not aligned with her generally - which is almost everybody. Instead of reality - she's going on a cable talk show to pimp her book - in "her" mind she's ... >> doubled the ratings of the lowest-rated cable news show on Tuesday by agreeing to go on for a full hour to promote my new paperback << How thoughtful of her. And just so her readers know how much she cares about chris matthews, she then insults her host with ... >> the host of the lowest-rated cable show himself, who personally told me he knew the truth. << What "truth"? She drips with venom when she writes ... >> These are bald-faced lies, and the mainstream media knows they are lies. Yet they were repeated ad nauseam on Wednesday by The Associated Press, the AOL pop-up window, CNN, NBC << They're not lies, ann - you said it - on national television. They reported it. That's what "news" does. The problem here isn't with AP, CNN, NBC or AOL - yet she's angry because they reported her latest viciously cruel statement, and showed her (again) for what she truly is - an acid-tongued hate-monger. Here is her "joke", in all it's context, provided her ann herself ... >> "But about the same time, you know, Bill Maher was not joking and saying he wished Dick Cheney had been killed in a terrorist attack — so I've learned my lesson: If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot." << Does she, at any point, retract the statement? Or even acknowledge that it may have been inappropriate - at best? No, she doesn't. She instead tries (again) to chalk it up to "liberals" with no sense of humor. The unspoken assumption being that she enjoys widespread support from those who do "get it". Except no one is stepping forward to endorse her position. Except maybe for JohnS1. >> Judging by his fundraising efforts so far, I gather most of you don't know who John Edwards is — unless you're an overpriced hair dresser. << Digging her hole even deeper. I prefer it when she just comes out and calls him a faggot. The joke is so much funnier that way. >> As a commentator, I bring facts like these to the attention of the American people in a lively way. << Ah. It must be her "lively way" that people are objecting to. >> Thus, for example, in a column about the Democratic candidates for president written in 2003, I pointed out that the Democrats refused to discuss the economy or the war << Thanks for pointing that out, ann. Except that my recollection was that the war was discussed in some depth by the democratic presidential candidates. But she has the insider's perspective. >> If you want points for not using your son's death politically, don't you have to take down all those "Ask me about my son's death in a horrific car accident" bumper stickers? << Excuse me - who is it again who's using edward's son's death for political purposes? And doing so in about the most offensive way possible? >> Manifestly, I was not making fun of their son's death << Thanks for clearing that up. For a minute there I was confused about the bumper sticker thing. >> From now on, I'm attacking only serious presidential candidates, like Dennis Kucinich." << More of that famous coulter wit. Maybe it never occured to her to not attack people at all. Nah. She reveals herself as a thoroughly loathesome person every time she opens her mouth or writes down her thoughts. Which is all too often.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<"Liberals are driven by Satan and lie constantly. " - is exactly the kind of simplistic, divisive drivel that sells books to the "choir" but coarsens and divides the rest of us.">> <Has nobody here ever heard of satire and hyperbole? Do you honestly think she takes that seriously? Good grief.> Since you seemingly don't quite grasp her technique, this is what she does: She says something over the top like "driven by Satan," that could obviously be defended as hyperbole. But then she adds "and lie constantly." Then she goes on to give what she claims are examples - not of anyone being driven by Satan, but of "lying" (though most are pretty weak examples, of course). What she wants you to be left with is a chuckle (if you're inclined to find "driven by Satan" funny) and a lingering thought of "okay, maybe not driven by Satan, but definitely liberals lie constantly." It's designed to make conservatives feel like they're "better" than those lying liberals, and semi-unconsiously think that liberals DO lie as a matter of course, and this is why it ends up being completely divisive. It's only a semi-sophisticated debating technique, easily seen through if you know what to look for.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder How appropriate. I was channel surfing just now and came across an SNL skit spoofing Chris Matthews with Ann Coulter as a guest. Matthews yells at her "I'd call you a media whore but I figured that would be offensive to whores!"
Originally Posted By JohnS1 Truth is, I really SHOULD get a real job and stop slumming at the bookstore! (-;
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Truth is, I really SHOULD get a real job and stop slumming at the bookstore! (-;<< Don't do it. I used to work at a bookstore. Now I have a real job. Worst. Decision. Ever.
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Originally Posted By ecdc Hmmm...a join date of July 1, 2007, a loser who continues to crash these boards even though he's not welcome. And he lectures others on dishonesty - delicious (and a little pathetic) irony!
Originally Posted By ecdc Sorry, I should've read the sign: "Do not feed the sad, insecure little trolls. Thank you." I'm out 'till beau gets tossed again. Adieu (France rules)!
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Originally Posted By onlyme It's a bit funny. She says all of these 'crazy' things, and gets bashed to hell, yet still manages to sell a ton of books. In fact, a year ago, her book, "Godless..." reached #1 on Amazon's book list. Dinosaur, I think not. Obviously, lots of people agree with her.
