Originally Posted By jonvn How do you remember to do that? But I don't pretend to know things I don't. This was what we were arguing about before. You were making claims about attendance this and that, and failure this and that, and I wanted to hear reasoning behind it, and got none.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA >> Jonvn is just jealous he has not and never will reach Al Lutz's level of stardome. Al Lutz is quoted in the news and I bet that just ticks Jonvn off. << I tend to believe this too. For better or worse, al has risen to a unique position within the disney fan community.> Oh brother. You really think someone aspires to be a famous online personality....who talks about The Walt Disney Company? Really? Is that something you aspire to be?
Originally Posted By jonvn If I wanted to be famous, I could be a blogger like Al, too. As I said, I just am not interested in that. I like posting on boards, and actually discussing things. It's a very insulting and stupid comment.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Can't we all just get along?" I would really like that to happen, actually.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>But I don't pretend to know things I don't.<< I am refering to your rather well known predisposition to make absolute declarations when you find the arguments of others disagreeable. (ie: "There is no more scientific debate over the man made causes of Global Warming.") It is also amusing that you will use exactly the same logic and reasoning to "prove" your opinions, yet dismiss it when others do. (ie: Those who say DCA is a failure are presumptuous fools, but everyone should believe you when you say EDL was within a hair whiskers of being shut down. Your "proof:" "Well, I had this friend, see, who told me all about it." But what was your friend THINKING when he supposedly told you that? Huh? Can you provide me any links to what he said? See how pointless and demeaning that kind of response is? Kind of like telling people to go read a book, that is, if they know what one is.) I won't even entertain the notion of psychanalyzing the various personalities at play here. Me, I think that Al Lutz is a divisive figure who regularly provides wrong headed "information" to credulous people who then go out and repeat it. Not saying that everyone who reads his site falls into that camp. But there are enough that it is ultimately counter-productive, and fosters the notion that internet sources are all suspect. Frankly, I resent that, but not the man himself.
Originally Posted By DlandDug An now I have broken one of LP's own Community Standards, as well as one of my own pet peeves, by discussing a person, rather than their ideas. Sorry. Never mind.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<An now I have broken one of LP's own Community Standards, as well as one of my own pet peeves, by discussing a person, rather than their ideas.>> Uhm, DlandDug, I kinda thought that was the whole purpose of this thread. You either bash Al Lutz as a devil or you idolize him like a god. I personally think both camps should go have a tug of war like at summer camp and end the whole thing. It's really a bunch of BS. And love him or hate him (and I do neither), the man writes some interesting things. I do find it funny though that he's a more polarizing figure than say Jay Rasulo, who runs the parks ... or Bob Iger, who runs the whole damn company. Strange. But I think I'll take my Spirited butt right back outta this thread so it can continue.
Originally Posted By jonvn "There is no more scientific debate over the man made causes of Global Warming." I say that only because it's actually true. There isn't. "Those who say DCA is a failure are presumptuous fools, but everyone should believe you when you say EDL was within a hair whiskers of being shut down" The reason I said that is because you don't know that it was or not, and don't even use the term properly. And as I said, ACCORDING TO THE PERSON I know who was in Disney corporate at the time, they said it was. "But what was your friend THINKING when he supposedly told you that?" It doesn't matter what he was thinking. He was telling me what was actually happening. "Can you provide me any links to what he said?" Since he said it to me in private, no. Since you claim to have public proclamations by Disney, I simply asked to see them. There is a difference. "See how pointless and demeaning that kind of response is?" Not really, no, because it was a private conversation, and that means it's not available for public consumption. This is why I said "according to..." I don't find your request demeaning, just disappointing that you don't get that you were claiming public information said something, but didn't produce it while I was discussing a private discussion I had with someone that was not public. As I said at the time, I would really like to see what made you say that, because I simply want the facts of the matter. It is off-putting to me when someone says they have something when they don't. "Never mind." I don't mind you talking about me, if that's what you mean. If you're still annoyed about that argument we had, you can discuss it with me, and I'll tell you exactly why I say what I said. Which is what I just tried to do. "Al Lutz is a divisive figure who regularly provides wrong headed "information" to credulous people who then go out and repeat it. " I agree and THIS is what annoys the heck out of me.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I'm not sure about the perceived "wrong information" idea. Just recently, it was al who 'broke the story' about the $1.2 billion investment. Shortly afterwards, we heard several other unofficial confirmations. That's a big story for us. If we're supposed to discount anything al says, we're left high and dry. Turns out he was correct, at least so far. It's unreasonable to expect a fanbase to not respond to such an enormous rumor, - especially when it's accompanied by a wholer raft of details and figures. >> You really think someone aspires to be a famous online personality....who talks about The Walt Disney Company? Really? << Al does. Really. Why else would he do what he does? It's time consuming, leaves him open to the torches and pitchforks, and probably doesn't pay very well. The only sensible motivation that I can see is that he enjoys his position in the spotlight - he becomes a de facto "expert" and the go-to guy for mainstream media - he's on every media rolodex out there by now. It just seems unlikely that he'd be sitting in a room wholly concocting these columns out of thin air. He obviously has solid sources within the company - exclusive sources that allow him to break these rumors ahead of everyone else. That has value, and al makes the most of it.
Originally Posted By jonvn "You either bash Al Lutz as a devil or you idolize him like a god. " He's not the devil, but he's caused a lot of divisiveness over the years, as can be seen on this very thread. And that is simply not good. The reason Jay Rasulo gets off easier is because no one here knows what he does. At least we can see what Al does.
Originally Posted By jonvn "If we're supposed to discount anything al says" I don't believe I said that. I do think that unless it is confirmed elsewhere, nothing any online person says is to be taken at face value. "It just seems unlikely that he'd be sitting in a room wholly concocting these columns out of thin air. He obviously has solid sources within the company" I can tell you stories about some of his "sources..." In the meantime, some people are starting to suggest that he's scanning the bulletin boards for information, and simply repeats it. I don't know if that is true or not. I would think an honest person who did not have to protect their source would credit their source. But I have no idea, and don't claim to. Maybe he does have a source or two. I know Jim Hill does, but he's still not considered very accurate.
Originally Posted By Zwitek <<< He's not the devil, but he's caused a lot of divisiveness over the years, as can be seen on this very thread. >>> He's not the only one.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror >>>Uhm, DlandDug, I kinda thought that was the whole purpose of this thread.<<< Actually the purpose of this thread was not to demonize Al or anyone else, but to point to his announcement of an impending press release by Disney regarding DCA. I made the editorial comment that his detractors would have something new to pretend he didn't know about... and of course, his uber-detractor is doing exactly that.
Originally Posted By Galaxie500 The DCA announcement is not quite so imminent right now. There's quite a few folks ticked off that Lutz spilled the beans on what was to be announced on Wednesday. What I last heard late Monday afternoon was that we might even hold off on the Wednesday announcement, with an unfortunate element of spite in that decision.
Originally Posted By Mr X Geez...tons of people coming out of the woodwork for this one! How's life, Galaxie?
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Originally Posted By Skellington88 Galaxy500...please tell them to just go ahead and do the unvileing because its still only a small population that know that an announcement is coming. We don't even know whats getting announced and its important to get this info out to the masses and to Anahiem!
