Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<no what's comical here is that if Beau or someone would have posted something with a title like this but included Democrats, you'd have been all over him, but it this case it's just OK because it rips the GOP in the title. >> I disagree vbdad. Darkbeer makes posts like this all the time and no one takes him to the woodshed about it. He sometimes is criticized for just posting links without commenting on them, but no one jumps his case. Why? Because even though you know most Darkbeer posts will criticize either Democrats or DCA, he does it in a way that does not insult other LP'ers. That is the difference between Beau and Darkbeer. Although some would like to claim otherwise, people did not jump all over Beau because of his political views, but because he presented them in a way that was nasty and personally insulting to other LP'ers.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I disagree vbdad. Darkbeer makes posts like this all the time and no one takes him to the woodshed about it. He sometimes is criticized for just posting links without commenting on them, but no one jumps his case." I jump all over him, not just for the idiotic link only and then post it all anyway posts. Thing is, I get admined for it because it's considered a personal attack or I've made it about the poster. Calling him petulant by continuing to do these things isn't an attack, it's calling it like it is in my book. He's protected around here, and no amount of denying will convince people otherwise.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <"A chance to link him to the GOP"? Are you kidding? As much as you'd like to disavow this guy, he's a republican. Deal with it. < do you not read at all ? The last time hje ran he was a Democrat - are you kidding ? You deal with the fact that you let blind hatred of one party block your faculties
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy <the idiotic link only and then post it all anyway posts.> I prefer those instead of just the links. It's a pet peeve of mine when *only* a link is posted. Who needs the hassle of having to click on the link yourself, wait for the window to display the new site, and then maximize it so you can read it? I like the "fast food posts" better where BAM it's all there. Pathetic, yeah, but that's part of online life. lol
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>Illegals cannot vote, but immigrants with legal residency can vote.<< Ignorant statement but one that is typical as right-wingers generally know absolutely nothing about even the most basic aspects of immigration law (like, stuff that can be found at the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Services website). No non-citizen can vote. That means undocumented immigrants, those here on visas AND "permanent resident aliens" (those with green cards). An immigrant who becomes a naturalized citizen CAN vote.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Ignorant statement but one that is typical as right-wingers generally know absolutely nothing about even the most basic aspects of immigration law (like, stuff that can be found at the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Services website). >>> I had typed something to this effect last night, but for some reason didn't post it. What you say above is exactly what I've found. Specifically, it seems that the more someone has (allowed their radio to have) gotten themselves worked up about immigration, and the more strident their viewpoint, the less they seem to actually know about the matter. It's really quite astounding at how strong the correlation is. My favorite example is a conversation I had with the most extreme anti-immigration person in the office. I had mentioned something about how some people wanted to differentiate naturalized citizens from other citizens, and his response was "What do you mean by 'naturalized'?" Yet he considers himself MORE informed than most on the issue because he listens to O'Reilly, Savage, and whoever the local AM guy is constantly. Simply astounding.
Originally Posted By DlandDug This story broke a day earlier down here (I live not far from the district in question). I have been patiently waiting for a few more facts to emerge. Of course, waiting for facts hasn't detered some media outlets from jumping to conclusions. Purely speculation on my part, but the whole thing is troubling. The district was, after all, Bob Dornan's "safe" seat until he was defeated by Loretta Sanchez in a bitterly contested election. There are still a lot of staunch partisans down there who have never gotten over it. They loathe immigrants of any kind. Van Tran was targeted in his State Assembly race by some fellow Republicans. They put up a former Democrat, then issued a series of blatantly racist mailers in an effort to get their man elected. They even filed a specious complaint, then trumpeted that Tran was "under investigation." Tran prevailed, though. The GOP in Orange County has got to realize, and embrace, the fact that the county has changed. Latinos and Viet Namese will stay away in droves as long as these kind of shenanigans continue. I wouldn't be surprised if the Nguyen staffer who sent this letter isn't part and parcel with this self destructive crowd. Just speculating, as I said...
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I wouldn't be surprised if the Nguyen staffer who sent this letter isn't part and parcel with this self destructive crowd. Just speculating, as I said..." My thought as well. I can't help thinking the guy was sabotaged.
Originally Posted By jonvn I think it was good of the GOP to immediately tell this guy to buzz off as they did.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< The GOP in Orange County has got to realize, and embrace, the fact that the county has changed. Latinos and Viet Namese will stay away in droves as long as these kind of shenanigans continue. >>> Do you remember what the OC GOP (or factions within it) did to Ed Zschau's campaign for US Senate in 1986 with that last-minute mailing? It's quite probable that they got Zschau defeated in that close race and as a result Senator Cranston got re-elected. I'm still disappointed over that one.
Originally Posted By cmpaley I think Nguyen KNEW and APPROVED of thi dirty letter and I hope he goes to prison. Better yet, I hope he sings as to who in the GOP gave him the idea so they can go to jail for a very, very long time.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1326599.php" target="_blank">http://www.ocregister.com/ocre gister/homepage/abox/article_1326599.php</a> >>Here is the English translation of the letter sent to foreign-born registered voters. Greetings, You are being sent this letter because you were recently registered to vote. If you are a citizen of the United States, we ask that you participate in the democratic process of voting. You are advised that if your residence in this country is illegal or you are an immigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that could result in jail time, and you will be deported for voting without having the right to do so. At the same time, you are advised that the U.S. government is installing a new computer system to verify the names of all new registered voters that vote in the October and November elections. Anti-immigration organizations can ask for information from this new computer system. Unlike Mexico, there is no incentive to vote here. There is not a voter-registration card in the United States. Therefore, it is useless and dangerous to vote in any election if you are not a U.S. citizen. Do not listen to any politician that tells you the opposite. They are only looking out for their own interests. They only want to win elections without regard to what happens to you. Sincerely, Sergio Ramirez<<
Originally Posted By cmpaley >> You are advised that if your residence in this country is illegal or you are an immigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that could result in jail time, and you will be deported for voting without having the right to do so.<< This is one of those half-truths that make it worse than an outright lie. How? Because there are hundreds of thousands of immigrants who do have the right to vote. They are called Naturalized Citizens. >>At the same time, you are advised that the U.S. government is installing a new computer system to verify the names of all new registered voters that vote in the October and November elections.<< Is this even TRUE? >>Anti-immigration organizations can ask for information from this new computer system.<< This is a straight up THREAT.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I think Nguyen KNEW and APPROVED of thi dirty letter and I hope he goes to prison. Better yet, I hope he sings as to who in the GOP gave him the idea so they can go to jail for a very, very long time." Proof? Evidence? Anything???
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Proof? Evidence? Anything???<< Shhhh. These sort of things may distract the poster as he climbs off his soap box.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Interesting to note that Tan Nguyen was a Democrat until last year, and has run for office in the past... <a href="http://www.spot-on.com/archives/schmidt/2006/10/tan_nguyen_manchurian_candidat.html" target="_blank">http://www.spot-on.com/archive s/schmidt/2006/10/tan_nguyen_manchurian_candidat.html</a> >>But overlooked in the row over Tan Nguyen's letter is the candidate himself. Until a year ago, he was a Democrat. In fact, Nguyen was a Democratic candidate in 2004 against Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher. I say that Nguyen's letter was either the stupidest or the most nefarious political act this year because part of me wonders whether he's some sort of "Manchurian Candidate" planted by Democrats to pull this October stunt - and have it dragged out by the media going into the election. (Of couse, that's Cold War thinking - Vietnam, where Nguyen was born isn't the same as China for all kinds of reasons.) That would take a lot of plotting and planning and coordination that, normally, I wouldn't give Democrats credit to be able to do. But since they withheld information about Mark Foley for months - if not years - to make his predatory sexual behavior a campaign issue, I wouldn't put anything past them. <<
Originally Posted By JeffG Darkbeer, thank you very much for cutting and pasting an editorial that repeated a point that has only been discussed several times in this thread. As usual, your contribution to the discussion is invaluable... -Jeff
