Originally Posted By MPierce I'm suppose to make a decision that will effect me, my family, and all of my friends based on a youtube video? Can't you just explain to me how a public option will improve my station in life?
Originally Posted By MPierce >> btw - is Bush still president ? let it go << You know that's never going to happen.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I'm waiting also - but Mpierce ,if you work for a major corp and have health care benefits ( even though paying dearly for them) the answer is there is no benefit to you and likely an additional cost coming your way. but then middle class America has never been a concern for either party of politicians -other than as a cash cow.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> but then middle class America has never been a concern for either party of politicians -other than as a cash cow. << So very true. If Congress was required by law to use the so called public option plan, I wonder how many more supporters of it would jump ship.
Originally Posted By Spyderman Wait a second why would Mpierce's healthcare costs go up? His current insurance would either remain the same or become CHEAPER due to an increase in competition (now companies would be competing with a cheaper insurance plan that doesn't have CEO pay and administrtative/advertising/lobbying costs that keep the prices so high)
Originally Posted By Hack2112 >>Ugly lighthouses. Vastly more important then healthcare.<< On here, yes. In the real world, maybe not. I think I would rather have a functioning lighthouse on a random island than a pretty one that doesn't work when I'm crashing.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer I actually think the lighthouses look fine. Am I a bad Doom and Gloomer now?
Originally Posted By Hack2112 >>Am I a bad Doom and Gloomer now?<< Yes you are. Shame on you! We'll have to take your commemorative "Ugly Lighthouse" patch away from you. Maybe one day you'll be able to earn it back.
Originally Posted By Spyderman >>I actually think the lighthouses look fine. Am I a bad Doom and Gloomer now?<< A defender of mediocrity is what you is!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^^^ I'm sorry guys. I've let you all down. Can I make up for this by hating Nemo in TLS even more? Thanks.
Originally Posted By Hack2112 >>Can I make up for this by hating Nemo in TLS even more? Thanks.<< I don't know... It would have to be some serious hating...
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<74 - thanks for calling me a troll over at wdwmagic. Your skill at doublespeak makes you a great TDA executive candidate.>> Off your meds, Murfie? You must have a guilty conscious. But I didn't call you a troll on MAGIC or anywhere. I was referring to a poster who had joined two sites (including this one) for the express purpose of ripping Tim Delaney. I'd call that being a troll. If with everything going down at TWDC these days you feel the need to join fan sites to rip a very talented Imagineer who just got screwed royally for his loyalty then there's likely a personal motive or you're just plain nuts. Again, not referring to you, but what does it say that you thought so? And you aren't going to win any sanity contests here by suggesting TDA is the place for me. I think about the only consensus you'd get out of this whole diverse group beyond Mickey being a mouse is that I most definitely wouldn't fit in with Disney's current exec ranks. <<Quick poll - how many people actually work in the design industry? How many know what it takes to get something built, the creative process, and the politics behind it? Now, how many are pretending they know? You can do amazing things with no budget. It is a designer who makes those choices - not an accountant, not managment, just the designer. If the designer does not put it on paper then there is no way for it to get built. The ideas that are out there and loathed for the entrance plaza and paradise pier are the bad ideas of designers who thought those were a reasonable compromise. They gambled, they were wrong. >> I'm not going to explain the creative process to you. Let alone at a company like Disney. You just lack a fundamental understanding as to how things get done in the parks. <<Further, a creative career is not defined by past accomplishments. You are judged by your most recent work - quoth Heidi Klum "one day you're in, the next day you're out." >> Really? Quoting Heidi? And I guess by your ridiculous statement above we should only judge Disney by what it creates now. Whether we're talking about great creations like EPCOT or TDS or lesser parks like DCA and DSP, none of that matters. Just today ... honestly, I don't have a clue what point you are trying to make. You judge individuals and companies on the big picture, not simply one project or the latest ... <<And the past work is suspect in this case - how many of you have been to Paris and seen DLP? 74 tells you it's well maintained and the queues glimmer. >> It is much better maintained the past few years than Florida's parks have been. And the queues don't glimmer, but most of them were in great shape last month. Peter Pan was an abomination and I have mentioned that already in this thread. <<That's not my direct experience. That's not my experience over several visits in the last few months.>> So you've been there several times in the last few months. You do get around. I always thought you were an Orlando-based student? But now you're all over the Disney Universe, including Paris several times in the past few months? Great. I'd love to hear your thoughts. And not simply things you can cull from other online sources. <<The CM experience there? Certainly not the foretold guest service you'll read about here and saying "oh, it makes me ashamed to be american.">> The healthcare abomination, educational difficiencies, the way we treat those most in need, the fact that Wall Street and vile politicians have sold Americans that capitalism equals democracy when that is so far from being true ... those often make me ashamed of this country. The CM experience at any Disney park, not so much. But yeah, DLP CMs were universally superb in my last visit. Best they've ever been. Better by far than Orlando. <<There is nothing in the whole of France that comes close to the worst of American customer service. It's not their culture - they work that way. Lived there. Know it. Accepted it at DLP and moved on to enjoy it otherwise.>> That's bull$hit. Pure and simple. I keep waiting to experience the legendary French 'tudes that I've heard about for decades, way before I ever set foot in the country. Haven't noticed it. Some Americans think they're getting bad service when their server leaves them alone for 30 minutes to dine on one course because we aren't used to it. But I look at people ripping the French, much like the rubes who rip New Yorkers. Two of the friendliest places I've ever been are NYC and Paris. <<And the glistening design beacon of Discoveryland? What on earth are people talking about? It's poorly maintained, there is a lack of harmony by presenting visual themes that are directly juxtaposed without transition, and there color scheme is at best "dull" and sort of dirty looking. That's why people took it off Space Mountain at DLR.>> About the only issues I had with Discoveryland were the restrooms in the Hyperion and the always rough ride of Space Mountain (although sitting in the front row seemed to negate a lot of that). Pavement is being replaced and the land generally looks terrific. The color was removed from DL's Space Mtn because their half-assed approach for the 1998 redo didn't work. Not because there was something intrinsically wrong with the copper color. It works perfectly in Paris. <<Further, that layout is haphazard. there's no reason to go behind SM other then to betray the forced perspective. The Nautilus is a bit of a campy joke, the Zephyr obviously "stops" when it hits the windows of the Burger Joint (side note, free mini cans of Coke Zero because they're trying to market it in Europe - gets yours today! You trot the globe that much right 74?) >> The Nautilus is beautiful. Detailed. Great showmanship. The exact type of attraction that is done so well in Paris, but is non-existent in Orlando. And I don't know what your Coke Zero crack is supposed to mean. If you have something to say, just say it ... I'm tired of playing games with bored little fanbois who think they actually know things. <<And the HISTA queue there is butt-ugly and hidden behind SM.>> Um ... so you're ripping a queue for one of the most unpopular attractions? I guess the HISTA queues in Anaheim and Orlando are works of Imagineering genius. <<And there is obviously a backstage walkway to connect it to Fantasyland because of poor planning in the layout - it's literally a backstage gate opened wide for guests to travel through an unthemed area to cross the park. We're not talking backstage at MK because there's a million people, rather an area they made "on stage" becuase the planning of Discoveryland was so poorly thought out.>> Again, you simply are talking out of your rectum. The path is a beautiful, tree-lined, paved walkway. I even took pictures of it on my last visit because I felt it was one of many park-like vistas that you don't get in Orlando. <<Kind of like Paradise Pier and the Entrance Plaza. Look at the graphics that were chosen, look at the stylization of the icons at the plaza - that is a design choice, not a budget choice. They are poor choices. They cost the company moneyt to be rebuilt unlike Epcot and AK which had solid bones to build-on. Rebuild versus build on. Add-on versus Do-over. One is a money pit, the other is not. One day you're in, the next day you're out. Auf wiedersehen.>> If you have fanboi hate for DCA's creation, I'd suggest you get over it. Life is way too short and there are many things that worthy of more anger, even in the Disney world. And if you have issues with DCA, instead of blaming a fine Imagineer and man in Tim Delaney, I'd suggest you direct them at others (from folks like Barry Braverman and Timur Galen, who were far more responsible than anyone for the way DCA 2001 turned out, to folks like Michael Eisner and Paul Pressler, who didn't realize how off the park was, to folks like Marty Sklar, who did but kept most of it to himself to keep his position with the company, to Roy Disney, who didn't seem to have a problem with it until he was pushed out of the company). You have some major anger displacement issues.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Blaming a talented designer like Tim Delaney for being put in a box by his creative leadership demonstrates that you have no idea how things work within WDP&R.>> Thank you!!!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> Can't. Steve got rid of me when I proved him wrong << <<Just re-register like I always do I've taken a break from Magic but ill be back! I always come back! >> Your latest disappearing act cost me 20 minutes of my life that I'll never get back as I had responded to your proudly proclaiming you wouldn't set foot in DCA and ripping it. Needless to say, I think that's a foolish 'tude and the park is a very nice place to spend a day. But you can read the response on that other site.
