Originally Posted By GalDisney My former next door neighbor, an adult, allowed a young family friend to use her daughters AP. Of course, the unauthorized user was stopped at the entrance because the photo did not remotely resemble the owners photo on the pass. So Disney revoked the pass.
Originally Posted By The_wicked_AP >>There is a huge difference between stealing a porsche and letting your mom use your pass to get in to a park that you regularly contribute to.<< Reminds me of the old joke....a man asks a woman if she'll sleep with him for a million dollars. She says "sure!" He says "Well, now that we've determined what you are, all we have to do is haggle over the price." When you buy an AP, you are _not_ contributing to the parks. You are getting cheap admittance, that's it. The day visitor "contributes" much more than most APs. I'm sure it's this sense of entitlement that has lead to the dislike of APs by so many CMs. The bad apples make us all look bad and it sucks.
Originally Posted By smeeeko ^^not necessarily so.. I personally think that my husband & I spend more money on dining at the resort restaurants and shops than actually going INTO the park and riding the rides and whatnot.. me especially as I am no necessarily physically able to ride many of the attractions anymore.. =( While that is the case, I think we do get our APs worth because just knowing we can go without blackout dates make our visits more fun because we aren't trying to fit everything into a few days.. we know we can come back. We take it easy and enjoy dinner most of the time (outside the parks) or come for special events like the Pirates event they had 6years back or the whatever. My AP entitles me to nothing but non transferable park admission and a parking discount at the Mickey & Friends garage.. and discounts at I forget where.. cause I can never seem to remember. =)
Originally Posted By imadisneygal For anyone concerned about the possibility of truly losing one's AP and not realizing it until later, it is hardly EVER the case. Generally the excuse is that the person "stole" the AP from the true holder and used it. The passport isn't automatically revoked, although it is confiscated. The revocation comes after dealing with the true passholder and seeing what the situation is. Some confiscated passports are returned without being revoked. If someone admits that they were given the passport to use, then it's revoked. There are so many different situations and not all of them end up in a revocation. That said, misuse of an AP is generally - although not always - done with the consent of the true passholder. And then there's the whole issue of handstamp transfers...sheesh! Just buy a passport for crying out loud!! Either way, it's petty theft and trespassing.
Originally Posted By The_wicked_AP smeeko, if you re-read my post, I said "much more than most APs", the operative word being "most". I'm sure, like my husband and me, if you have someone you'd like to bring along, you'd buy their day pass without a second thought. But if someone has to scrape to buy a passport (annual or day), I would think there wouldn't be much left over for souvenirs.
Originally Posted By mickey42397 <When you buy an AP, you are _not_ contributing to the parks. You are getting cheap admittance, that's it. The day visitor "contributes" much more than most APs. > Sorry, but....umm......NO WAY MAN !!!! I spend way more at DL in a year than the once or twice a year visitor can in a week or two, even if they were intentionally trying to outspend me. Every time I visit the park, which happens to be once or twice a week, I eat one or two meals inside the park, along with the rest of my party. I almost never come home without merchandise, whether I am buying it for myself or for gifts, and then there is the rest of the money, bottled water, churros, who knows? If Disney were keeping track of what I spend, they would gladly give me my AP for free. If I didn't have an AP I wouldn't go to the park very often and they would be losing out on LOTS of money. That is why they offer AP's. Did you think it was because they wanted to help us out ? Come on, this is business, and they know that they get the money back tenfold (and then some). You have to be kidding me. <I'm sure it's this sense of entitlement that has lead to the dislike of APs by so many CMs.> Save it. CM's don't like the fact that they are severly underpaid. They really don't give a hoot about who is an AP holder and who isn't. True, the ones walking around displaying their AP's on lanyards are a little annoying, but there are many types of annoying guests and that is pretty low on a CM's list of pet peeves. Take it from a former CM and friend of many. I have no sense of entitlement above what I paid for. I know what level of support I provide for the company and I don't need anyone else to pat me on the back for it.
Originally Posted By friendofdd I'm sorry to see the topic moving in this direction. These matters of the value and appreciation, or lack thereof, of passholders have been discussed many times and have never been resolved to everyone's satisfaction.
Originally Posted By The_wicked_AP mickey42397, please re-read this portion of my post: "The day visitor "contributes" much more than most APs." Do you see the word MOST? Do you realize that MOST does not mean ALL? Why do you think I didn't type in ALL? Because the word ALL is an absolute. I doubt most of the APs (not ALL, some probably do) who go to the DLR a couple of times a week (and I'm sure there are many, the people who take advantage of the most excellent price on the SoCal APs) are going to spend an additional couple of hundred bucks each time they go on food and souvenirs. And IMO, the word "contribute" was the wrong word to use. When I read "contribute", I think "donation". When you buy a shirt or a meal, you're getting value for your money. You ain't donatin' squat. Sheesh.
Originally Posted By smeeeko I just get a little cranky when the APs get all lumped together. I realize this wasn't aimed at me pesonally.. I have had my experience with weird and greedy APers.. but I'd like to think (and I really did try my best to dispell this the little time I was working) that there are many 'types' of folks that have an AP.. some like me just come to enjoy the park and hang out with family and friends and enjoy themselves.. they aren't necessarily the ones that come all the time looking for something wrong (that depresses me anyway why don't they get a new hobby?) or those wanting to scam the system.. I really don't think the Original Poster meant it to get like this here.. they just had an honest question.. the thing is there are some people who might want to do that on purpose and yes, it does come back to bite the consumers (whether you think the APer is not paying their fare share or not) You don't have these types of discussions really on the WDW boards.. not saying some folks aren't out there like that.. but really the DLR culture out here is something I'm still amazed by... take that how you like. It could go either way depending on what you're talking about. =P Happy Sunday..
Originally Posted By dsnymomi2 Sometimes I don't feel they do enough to see if who is on the Ap is you... We go about once a month and the picture of me is, well lets say the pictures are terrible because of the computer but not only that, in the pic my hair is down and my face looks some what distorted (gotta love computer cameras) but when I go in the park, I always have a hat on and sun glasses and I don't feel I look anything like the pic. They have never in the 2 years I've had AP's ever asked for any proof I am who is on the Ap! Nor even looked at me long enough to dought me.
Originally Posted By amazedncal2 friendofdd, good point I'll help bring it back on topic for the moment. One time a teenage girl was in front of us at the Monorail Station in DTD. The CM was questioning her AP. She asked another CM for her opinion and they discussed it. The girl was asked for her ID and she said she didn't have one. The CM's said she could go through and to go have her picture re taken. On the stairs up to the monorail the girl whips out her cell phone and calls her mom and loudly tells her mom all about it and how she was FREAKING OUT because everyone always tells her how much she looks like her (her mom) and she almost got caught. So obviously the girl was using her mom's AP and the idiot is telling everyone within hearing distance that the CM's let her through. I could have been a CM for all she knew. I'm glad that this topic was brought up. It's a good reminder to everyone what could happen and what could be an embarrassing way to start your day at the Happiest Place on Earth.
Originally Posted By OceanSpace When I first got my pass several years ago, the picture was horrible and I was asked for ID every time without fail. I finally took a new picture and have not been asked since, although I do see some very thorough cast members look at the picture, look back up, and then swipe it. Couldn't they help prevent this problem again by requiring the passholders to get a handstamp in order to reenter the park? I know they used to and I'm not quite sure why they stopped. Don't get me wrong, it slows me down a bit, but it wasn't that big of a deal. Does anyone know why they stopped the handstamp reqirement for passholders? Does it have something to do with APs forgetting to get their hands stamped and complaining about not being able to get back in?
Originally Posted By imadisneygal Requiring handstamps wouldn't really solve the problem for people who are trying to break the law, and those who aren't trying to get away with anything rarely if ever have problems. Some passholders used to give their passport to someone else and then come back to re-entry and say that they just forgot to get their hand stamped even though they just "entered" for the first time 5 minutes before. Even Guests with regular passports don't always get their handstamps checked on re-entry. We were there yesterday and used my Silver Pass and when we left California Adventure and went to Disneyland they only scanned our passports. Sometimes the timing of re-entry can be a hint to possible abuse. Entering, leaving and re-entering all in the course of 5 minutes can be a clue. I don't think the handstamps would either alleviate the problem or stop people from trying to find a way around the system. Fortunately the scanners can record information such as which turnstile scanned the passport orignally so this can be a help in asking the Guest who "entered" less than 5 minutes before which turnstile they entered through. Not knowing (at least being very close) can be another clue. The Resort is relying heavily on the scan record and it can be used effectively to stop abuse of passports. I don't think the decision to stop had anything to do with complaints, because those were rare particularly among Guests who truly did forget. It's pretty easy to tell when you're being lied to, although I'm the first to admit I've got sent through the ringer by a couple (I reiterate - only a couple as the majority are following the rules) AP's over the years I worked there. Pictures that really don't look like the passholder should definitely be retaken in order to facilitate quicker entry and less problems for the Guest. I think this is the best way to alleviate the problem of bad pictures, etc.
Originally Posted By imadisneygal Another way would be to eliminate the picture passports and require ID of every Guest with an AP, kids using their parent's ID of course. Teens have school ID's now, and those could be used. Personally I like the picture passports and I know that Guests like the personalization. It's only a few bad apples that even make it necessary to figure out ways to stop abuse. It's a shame...
Originally Posted By smeeeko ^^I like the bioscans at WDW but I think that might be a very expensive proposition.. something inbetween would be nice. photo/bioscan.. =)
Originally Posted By mickey42397 Yes, except at WDW the CM's at the turnstiles are trained to ask the guest who has an unsuccesful scan to rescan only once more. If it doesn't work most CM's let you through anyway. Some will send you to guest relations where all you have to know is the date of birth and mailing address. There are no pics on the AP's, so this system is easier to manipulate than the photo AP. Also, the bioscanners are unsuccessful a lot. Before I became a CM there I used to have an AP and I used it like three days a week, two parks per day. I know how often it happens and what the process is when a scan is unsuccessful because I have been sent to guest relations at least 15 times, and never once have I been asked for an ID.
Originally Posted By imadisneygal Personally I think requiring a picture ID with each AP would eliminate the problem. It would cause some issues in the adjustment period but it would alleviate the problem after that. That said, the percentage of AP's who abuse their pass privileges is soooo small that it probably doesn't warrant changing a whole system to stop the abuse. What comes around goes around...
Originally Posted By coaster53 THE BOTTOM LINE: It is stealing! Enough said! Why go out of your way to be low class? This is a major issue with today's American Society. Many think there is no harm done when stealing from a major corporation. As a hardworking, stockholder, you are taking money out of my pocket. Please have more pride in yourself and just buy a ticket. PS Let your Mother know that she should have raised you in a better manner.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Sorry, but....umm......NO WAY MAN !!!! I spend way more at DL in a year than the once or twice a year visitor can in a week or two, even if they were intentionally trying to outspend me.<< As an AP one will spend more in aggregate than a since once a year day tripper will. That said, an AP who visits 20 times per year will probably spend less in agregate than 20 day trippers combined. Now, of course, not all AP's are the same. Soem have deep pockets, and stay at the GC and eat at the Napa Rose. But many are just locals who buy the AP to save money on admission.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>THE BOTTOM LINE: It is stealing! Enough said! Why go out of your way to be low class? This is a major issue with today's American Society. Many think there is no harm done when stealing from a major corporation.<< So true, plus businesses have to raise their prices to compensate for theft.
