Originally Posted By SuperDry So that's what your two AR-15's are for? Wouldn't a shotgun be quite effective at home defense?
Originally Posted By Tikiduck Using an AR-15, or any high powered rifle for home defense is idiotic. The bullets can penetrate through the walls and possibly kill your neighbors. Unless of course, your neighbors have all turned into Zombies, or the government has suddenly converted to radical Communism, or Armageddon finally comes to be, much to the relief of cheering Christians.
Originally Posted By Donny Yeah thats true,but they are fun to target shoot with and if somthing like Hurricane Katrina happened It's nice to know I can prevent a group of people trying to steal my stuff.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 So you can swim and shoot at the same time? I don't think Navy Seals can do thar
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Donny from what I've gathered you've lived in Arizona, Wisconsin and you currently live in the Orlando area. Of those three Orlando is the closest to getting hurricanes and they rarely get them. So I don't think you need to worry about people looting your stuff
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Of those three Orlando is the closest to getting hurricanes and they rarely get them.<< Orlando is definitely in the hurricane zone, and they do get them. They just haven't had a headline-grabbing monster in recent years. And while I do find the whole "protect your house from looters during a hurricane" scenario a bit far fetched, it makes a lot more sense than most of the pro-NRA arguments. Donny, if you couldn't have an AR-15, are there other weapons you could protect your house with just as effectively?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Donny, if you couldn't have an AR-15, are there other weapons you could protect your house with just as effectively?" Sure there are. But he already gave these two names, Dick and Phallus. He likes to think he's attached to them now.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>being Christian does not mean you allow people to take your life or your family.<< And yet, the early Christians, when persecuted, did not fight back. Oh that's right, they were "apostates". Never mind.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney >>>Oh that's right, they were "apostates". Never mind.<<< Why do you say that? Are you talking about what Paul said to them? I don't think that includes the apostles and followers of Christ who were martyred for their faith. Many apostates walking around these days though.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney This is for you Donny. You decide, based on the teachings of Christ, whether you think you should use guns to defend your family and home: "Do not return evil for evil. Avenge not yourselves, but rather give way to wrath; for it is written, vengeance is mine; I will repay, says the Lord. Therefore if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsts, give him drink: for in so doing you shall heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Romans 12:17-21 "Whoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." I John 3:15 "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth... Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy... Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." Matt 5:5-9.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney >>and if somthing like Hurricane Katrina happened It's nice to know I can prevent a group of people trying to steal my stuff.<< "Therefore if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsts, give him drink: for in so doing you shall heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Romans 12:17-21 So again I want to ask you Donny, does the Mormon church teach the peaceful teachings of Christ? I am not mormon so I don't know. I can tell you MANY Christians I know have turned from these particular teachings lately.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney And my apologies to everyone who is agnostic/atheist. I really want Donny's take on how he thinks Christ's teachings should affect his actions. Not because he's Donny, or even because he's mormon, but because I don't understand the thinking of many Christians I know these days.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Those of us (Christians) that are prone to question things further then what someone wrote on parchment and subsequently reinterpreted over and over for 2000 years. Some of us feel that "god" exists but isn't sitting there paying attention to what we are doing. We have been given a brain with built in logic and the ability to comprehend, protect ourselves and our families from those that wish us only harm. Yes, that doesn't always line up with scripture (depends on what part you are reading. Don't forget the eye for an eye part.), but in makes infinitely more sense then simply turning the other cheek. Don't interpret this as a defense of Donny's paranoiac stand on most issues dealing with this. I don't think he need an AR-15 for that either, just that at this point in our evolution calls for a more thought out quote then direct biblical references. They mean nothing literally at this point. All are open for interpretation.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<...if somthing like Hurricane Katrina happened It's nice to know I can prevent a group of people trying to steal my stuff.>> So when the hurricane hits and everyone else is evacuating for higher ground, you're going to stay at home and risk your life in the storm so you can protect your "stuff." Yeah, your wife and kids are sure gosh darned lucky to have you in their lives. At least for a brief period, until you do something stupid and kill yourself.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Thanks for your reply Goofyr. I often incorrectly assume Christians are taught the same as I was taught about the Old Testament not applying to those under the blood of Christ, but having been the old law that even Israel couldn't follow. So some still follow eye for an eye and that helps explain. I can be naive about other's beliefs, especially because I am opposed to the idea of "religion" in general and prefer the ideas of love and mercy.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I was taught that "an eye for an eye" was meant to limit retribution. In the current discussion that means not killing someone unless they have first killed you. Damn hard to shoot that AR-15 when you are dead.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>I was taught that "an eye for an eye" was meant to limit retribution. In the current discussion that means not killing someone unless they have first killed you. Damn hard to shoot that AR-15 when you are dead.<<< In military jargon that is referred to as a preemptive strike. ;-) Or to have assumed that you are about to lose an eye.
