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Originally Posted By FaMulan Gosh, I can't believe FaMulan said this slander. FaMulan is projecting what she might do if she was a Right-Wing Christian. In real life, no Conservative Christian will do this.<< I am not, and have never been a Right Wing Christain, so no I am not projecting what I might do if I were one. Thankfully, I was brought up by parents who allowed me to make my own decision regarding what religion, if any I chose to practice and based on my observations I chose agnosticism. >>FaMulan: You show no respect for a pluralistic society in the way you slander Right Wing Christians. You call them extremists. You don't include Right Wing Christians into your definition of "all faiths".<< OH REALLY? I'm not the one defacing churches, mosques and temples becuase they disagree with my beliefs. I believe that everyone should be allowed to practice what faith they chose or were brought up in as long as it does not harm anyone or anything. Right Wing Extremist Christains and Extremists of all other religious stripes would do good to keep that in mind. And so should you, woody. I show my respect for all faiths by not trying to force my beliefs on others and by showing individual people the respect they deserve. Overly loud, Bible Thumping types who practice the deadly sin of Pride don't get my respect because, THEY DO NOT RESPECT ME!
Originally Posted By Moderation I'm just facinated by all the castigation as to what the ACLU does and doesn't do here. It isn't the ACLU who decides anything, it is federal courts interpreting the constitution who have determined the law here. If you have a problem with the law, lobby to change the law, and if enough people and representatives don't think you're a pimento shy of an olive loaf you may get your way. But otherwise, you are merely castigating a group for requesting that the courts uphold the constitution, and that serves no useful purpose
Originally Posted By woody FaMulan: I also think you misunderstood my original post where I quoted the ACLU. They are the ones who think Christianity is the same with no differences. They don't respect the differences between the different Christian religions. America does not endorse any particular religion so why does the ACLU want to impose the law based on what it believes is religion. That never made any sense to me. Yet, you go into this rant about how Right Wing Christians are imposing their beliefs onto others. This is slander. The ACLU is imposing it's liberal religious beliefs on others whenever it presents a lawsuit.
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Originally Posted By itsme >>"And keep in mind, if the extreme right wing Christians want to rid the country of non-Christians, they'll be slitting America's throat." Gosh, I can't believe FaMulan said this slander. FaMulan is projecting what she might do if she was a Right-Wing Christian. In real life, no Conservative Christian will do this. ----- Yep- "When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. `What do you mean?' the media challenged me. `You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.'" --from Pat Robertson's "The New World Order," page 218." "You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them." --The 700 Club, January 14, 1991
Originally Posted By itsme >>Yet, you go into this rant about how Right Wing Christians are imposing their beliefs onto others. This is slander. ----- From yesterdays decency hearing FCC chairman Kevin Martin- "You can always turn the television off and of course change the channels, but why should you have to" "If providers dont find a way to police smut on telivision{refering to cable} The FCC standards should be considered."
Originally Posted By itsme You said you wanted to hear a right wing christian say anything about riding the country of non-christians.
Originally Posted By Mr X Let's just say that ALL extremists suck, k? Specially PETA. Anyone see that Penn & Teller episode of ********? (sorry, can't name the show, violates community standards) The one where they tell us how PETA kills animals at their headquarters, and has a vice-president who takes medication made from animals because she "needs her life to protect the lives of animals"? Great show, ********. Everyone should check it out. Merry Christmas!
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Woody, I don't think FaMulan is attacking Christianity. I think the focus is on how some people are using their religion as a weapon of division instead of a tool for reconciliation and forgiveness. I think Christianity is in the midst of a holy war right now, but I don't think the fight is with Muslims or with liberals or with religious extremists - it is with those powers and forces that bring our focus away from God and away from our community toward selfish desires and the raising of walls between us. Those powers and forces or selfishness and division can come from within the church itself, and that's what I think FaMulan was referring to.
Originally Posted By FaMulan No, I'm not attacking Christianity, I'm attacking the morons who use a religion of love and peace for hatred and bigotry. KKK-Espouses 'Christain Beliefs' and has burned crosses on lawns and defaced houses of worship. Aryan Nation - same thing. Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and other TV-ministers and Ultra Conservative types: Believe the way I want you to or you're a bad person. I was raised in the Roman Catholic Church until I was 10 years old and in that time I was taught that the Christain Church was one of love and understanding, imagine my dismay when I started learning of Christain perpetrated hate-crimes against people who did not believe in the same things as them. I also come from a mixed heritage, both nationality and religion wise. My Maternal Grandfather was a Jew who Married a Catholic woman, my Mother was raised Catholic yet was exposed to the more ancient religous traditions of Judaism. My Father was Protestant, who converted to Catholicism to marry my mother and still married her even after they were told they couldn't get married in the Church because he'd been previously married and divorced. At 10, my Mother had had enough and allowed my sister and I to explore and decide for ourselves. I chose to not practice a faith at all because of things I discovered in my explorations. I married a Jewish Man, also from a mixed heritage, but raised Jewish and now we celebrate both our mixed heritages by celebrating Jewish and Christain traditions WITH ABSOLUTELY NO CONFLICTS. My current circle of friends probably includes people of various faiths including paganism, I wouldn't know because I don't limit myself to knowing only one type of person. I also do not judge people based on what they worship. You can worship a carrot as a diety as long as you respect my right not to. I see value in all people unless they disrespect me.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer You will worship the carrot, FaMulan. You cannot resist the orange glory.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I've read that too much of anything is bad for you. I suppose religion might qualify. When one become a religious zealot it may not be a good thing.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer If the zealotry leads you to building up others instead of knocking them down, it can be a good thing.
Originally Posted By FaMulan You will worship the carrot, FaMulan. You cannot resist the orange glory.<< The carrot will do me more good after I've ingested it rather than sticking it up on an alter and praying to it.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<The carrot will do me more good after I've ingested it rather than sticking it up on an alter and praying to it. >> Yes, carrots are for eating. You worship LAVA LAMPS. I thought everyone knew that. ;-)
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh I will follow the gourd! No, not the gourd. The shoe! The shoe will lead us to salvation!
Originally Posted By itsme >>The shoe will lead us to salvation! ------ I think my wife really believes in this.
