Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Well he was somewhat right about Donovan McNabb. > Actually, he could hardly have been more wrong. Not so much about McNabb himself, who was good but a bit overrated. QB's get overrated all the time when their teams do well. But what Limbaugh said was that McNabb was overrated BECAUSE he was black, because the NFL and the media - in this horrible conspiracy of the sort he pulls out of his rear quarters regularly - "needed" there to be a "successful black quarterback." Putting aside the obvious racism for a second, the first thing I thought when he said that was "where has Limbaugh been?" That statement only even approaches making sense if McNabb was the only successful black quarterback in the league, therefore the conspirators felt they had to build him up. But this was far from the case. At the time he said it, you had Steve McNair (just one season removed from taking the Titans to the AFC Championship Game IIRC), you had Dante Culpepper (who kind of flamed out, but who at the time was one of the top QB's), you had Michael Vick... so the statement made no sense. It was as if Limbaugh thought we were still back in the 70's when black quarterbacks were rare and somehow exotic. I mean hell, McNabb wasn't even the first successful black quarterback IN PHILLY (!) And I just remember thinking that Limbaugh was not only a racist idiot, he couldn't even have been much of a football fan.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I was referring to McNabb as a player. And hey Philadelphia has another overrated black qb. Great fantasy player, but in a big game, don't trust him.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>It was as if Limbaugh thought we were still back in the 70's when black quarterbacks were rare and somehow exotic.<< Not to mention that the Washington Redskins won a Super Bowl with QB Doug Williams -- in 1988.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Williams was spectacular in that game, if you're going to get a win that's the game. However for his career he did have a losing record. And that's how QB's, black or white are measured. Still I'd imagine Boomer Esaison, Dan Marino or Jim Kelly would have liked to have that one win Williams has.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>But what Limbaugh said was that McNabb was overrated BECAUSE he was black, because the NFL and the media - in this horrible conspiracy of the sort he pulls out of his rear quarters regularly - "needed" there to be a "successful black quarterback."<< Exactly. And he was yanked off the air because it was a racist comment-- not merely "politically incorrect" as he'd like everyone to believe. Which brings us back to Hank Williams Jr. He says this stupid thing and then, with pride, says "Well, if you ask for my opinion, you're gonna get it." As if his dumb comment is something brave to say--"Everyone's thinkin' it, but I got the guts to SAY it. Yay for me." Dope.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Which has nothing to do with the color of his skin. There's a lot of terrible quarterbacks in the league right now white or black.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 So to sum it up. Limbaugh was wrong about the league wanting a black qb to succeed, but was right about McNabb as a player.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I was referring to McNabb as a player. > I know you were. But Limbaugh's point was not to call him overrated - dozens of players are, arguably. He only brought it up to try to make some political point about the NFL "needing" a black QB to succeed - when plenty already had, or were currently doing so. HE was injecting race where it didn't belong; if you think McNabb's overrated, fine. Say that. What he said made no sense whatsoever, but told us plenty about Limbaugh.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Let's not forget the Limbaugh experiement was around the same time or shortly thereafter the Dennis Miller experiment where they wanted analysis from the "fan perspective" The problem is most analysis from the "player perspective" is shoddy at best and there's also an arrogance from certain from players who think they know all there is about the game. Matt Millen I'm looking in your general direction.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan LOL, I had forgot about the Dennis Miller experiment. Football + Thesaurus = Bewilderment.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Happily, he has apologized. Well, tried to... <a href="http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cc2ddfcfee/hank-williams-jr-apologizes?playlist=featured_videos" target="_blank">http://www.funnyordie.com/vide...d_videos</a>
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It's hard to say whether Limbaugh or Miller was the bigger disaster. Limbaugh certainly had the worse single moment, but Miller lasted longer (painfully long, even if just one season) because he didn't say anything so terrible they had to let him go... just week after week of references that were either too obscure for Bubba, or if a viewer got them, left one thinking "why did he shoehorn THAT one in THERE?" Never came off as spontaneous. He would then try too hard to be "one of the guys." Seriously Dennis - you can't be Mr. Hip-and-erudite one moment and Mr. Blue Collar the next. As annoying as he could sometimes be, Cosell showed that you didn't have to pretend to be anything you weren't; just be yourself, and it will work in context with the other guys - sometimes the contrast is the fun.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Miller the bigger disaster only in that I actually thought he was quite clever initially as a comedian- and expected some of that wit in the booth. Got precious little. Rush I knew would suck from day 1 - no expectation other than wondering- what the hell are they thinking ?
