Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Kinda reminds me of someone else who had said things like "I actaully voted for the war before I voted against it".
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<The nativity on the public square is a symbol of church influence.>> Sigh.. I really have tried to consider you one of the smart ones on here, but this... A nativity scene RECOGNIZES religion. So what! Your going to tell me that mearly showing a religion on public ground is somehow forming a state church?? <<Perhaps we should just eliminate our Constitution altogether -- it appears to have been written by a bunch of kooky liberals who had no idea how to run a government.>> Ok.. show me the line about seperation of church and state in the constitution please. You can't because it's a liberal myth.. kinda like global warming. you take the establisment clause regarding religion and twist it like only a silly liberal can do then wonder why america says you guys have no moral vlaues and you get hammered at the polls. Also, every time some moron tries to sue about a nativity scene being .. gasp.. on public land, they lose in court every single time. Why is that mrichmond?
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Originally Posted By TomSawyer The family that runs the REIT that operates these malls is Jewish. I wonder if they just wanted to be able to take their families to see the Bunny without having to celebrate a holiday from a different religion.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA ^^Oh TomSawyer that's so 'politically correct' -- how dare you!
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "A nativity scene RECOGNIZES religion. So what! Your going to tell me that mearly showing a religion on public ground is somehow forming a state church??" Well, it recognizes a specific religion. Also, you certainly like to put words in people's mouths. No, by placing a manger, it does not mean that a state church is being formed, but it means the government is endorsing one religion over another. It's subtle, but it sends a message.
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Originally Posted By wahooskipper It is Freedom OF Religion...not Freedom FROM Religion. In the history of the United States I don't think it has ever been suggested once that there would be a Federally authorized/recognized faith.
Originally Posted By mele LOL, Lisann. <<It is Freedom OF Religion...not Freedom FROM Religion.>> So, we have no freedom FROM religion? Interesting interpretation. Sherry, be afraid, be very afraid.
Originally Posted By sherrytodd Oh Mele, I've known this for a long time. There are way too many people out there trying to "save my soul."
Originally Posted By cmpaley Considering EVERYONE, no matter what they believe, has a religious belief, there is no such thing as "freedom from religion." Atheism and agnosticism are both religious beliefs because they are both beliefs about the existence or nonexistence of God. Atheists don't believe that God exists. Agnostics say they don't know and live as though God doesn't exist.
Originally Posted By sherrytodd You can be agnostic and Christian. Agnostics believe that the existance of God is not proven nor disproven. So yes there is no Freedom from Belief, but there is Freedom from the Church.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Agnostics say they don't know and live as though God doesn't exist.> Some may. Most don't.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh I didn't miss the main point; I just didn't comment on it. I commented on your mischaracterization of agnostics.
Originally Posted By mrichmondj <<<< Also, every time some moron tries to sue about a nativity scene being .. gasp.. on public land, they lose in court every single time. Why is that mrichmond? >>>> Apparently, they only lose when Rush Limbaugh is allowed to tell the story. Why don't you look up Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), Lee v. Weisman (1992), or Allegheny County v. ACLU (1989). The Allegheny County case specifically involved the display of a nativity creche and which was found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States. The defense rests . . . ;-)
Originally Posted By HRM Boy, an admin within the first 10 posts - impressive... >>What this boils down to is the US society falling to its knees to accomidate a particular "non christian" subculture.<< Interesting Comment >>it is inappropriate to have pagen symbols associated with Christian holidays.<< Early Christians used "Pagan Symbols and Pagan Celebrations" to hide their own celebrations because of being persecuted by the then-mainstream of society. BY THE WAY - I'm not saying that that creme filled chocolate eggs, Peeps, jelly beans, and Plush Bunnies were/are Pagan Relegious Symbols. ;o)
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<it does not mean that a state church is being formed, but it means the government is endorsing one religion over another. It's subtle, but it sends a message.>> Thats cute... so the president being sworn into office using a BIBLE sends a message also I suppose? The entire seperation of church and state liberal myth is so easy to nuke.
