Originally Posted By xrayvision Here's a part of the debate that didn't make it on the air: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr9tLSJU5Ws" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...tLSJU5Ws</a>
Originally Posted By Donny I hope the Governor goes after employees I think it's sad how honest employees loose contracts to employees who hire these illegals
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I am not so narrow minded to think everything President Obama is bad but I am not happy with the Obama administration saying that SB1070 was un-American when in fact hiring non-Americans ,paying them an unlivable wage, and then telling Arizona that even though you are being sucked of your civil resources by these criminals you can't defend yourself..<< But that's not what you said though. You made it very clear you didn't care what Governor Brewer did, even so far as to show up intoxicated on the job, so long as she "got rid of illegals." Can I presume you voted for President Bush, Donny? If so, why would you not vote for someone who's deported even more illegals than he has, especially given that this is really the only thing you care about?
Originally Posted By ecdc I'd just hate to think you have a double-standard is all. I mean, you're fine with a Republican doing whatever they want so long as they deport illegals, so you should be fine with a Democrat doing the same, no? If Obama does what you want (which is what he's doing), then he ought to have your support.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I hope the Governor goes after employees I think it's sad how honest employees loose contracts to employees who hire these illegals<< The word you seek is "employers." I'm sorry we made fun of you for plagiarizing stuff. Please go back to doing it. I miss the grammar, spelling and punctuation.
Originally Posted By ecdc BTW, I agree with Roger Ebert on this. We're all only human. Stuff happens. If Jan Brewer has a history of this and it's evidence she's incapable of clear communication and void of ideas, then that's a problem. If it's a one-time incident and there's evidence she's done fine in the past, then we need to focus on her politics and terrible ideas.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I think she should get a pass for the long pause thing. We all get brain freeze and just blank sometimes. Big deal. But the post-debate thing where she simply would not answer the question on the "decapitated heads" thing because it was so painfully obvious she'd been caught in a lie - that she deserves the drubbing she's getting for it.
Originally Posted By xrayvision President Bush was for the Hispanic vote, while Arizona does seem to do business otherwise. And, President Reagan passed the observation of Dr. Martin L. King Jr.'s birthday as a national holiday, which Arizona was the last state to begin observing this holiday for an important American figure who fought for American civil rights. So, while I may lean to the right, I don't like Arizona's current politics of legislation being passed that seem to go against civil rights, which is not part of the republican platform (aside from some vocal tea baggers platforms).
Originally Posted By Labuda "We have did a lot for Arizona." Sounds like she didn't go to the best schools.
Originally Posted By Labuda "I hope she continues to fight for taxpayers and not the tax burdens.." Wow, so you want laws that will help you, not your under age unemployed children? nice!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Yeah, well, no taxes, no taxes, so no government, no government, so then there's free will, free will, and then there's anarchy, yeah, anarchy!! 'Cuz people can be trusted to do the right thing! Go us!
Originally Posted By hopemax That's the other thing. Building a fence, increased patrols, increased immigration employees, increased stings on employers. If we went to a national ID, and more stringent requirement for documentation when applying for jobs, housing, social services. Where is that money going to come from? And will the people clamoring for all of that, be willing to foot the bill. Will they even agree that those departments and resources are currently "underfunded?"
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy Arizona is an interesting case because it is one of the western states that bet its entire future on the real estate bubble. Cities like Phoenix are great examples of what happens when you let real estate developers make all of your government policy decisions. The place is a complete disaster. So, what does Arizona do to fix the mess they are in? They blame illegals for all of their problems. Never mind that illegal immigration is down over 60% now from the start of the decade. In Arizona, it's just a scapegoat to distract voters from ever figuring out that their corrupt politicians were profiting off of the masses for a decade while they took kickbacks from real estate developers in exchange for no regulation and sweetheart deals to allow condo communities to be barfed up all over the desert. Arizona represents everything that is wrong with America.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Up next, Arizona governor unilaterally declares war on Taco Bell, claiming it is a terrorist organization operated by the Mexican Muslim Mafia (3M). Brewer's popularity surges with her new campaign slogan "drop the chalupa."<< It's all good and fun to belittle the illegal alien problem. Perhaps this law wasn't the right solution. But from what I have been reading some very Mexican problems are starting to appear in Arizona, including the nefarious "express kidnappings" that are so common south of the border that I know upper middle class folks who have fled Mexico for this very reason and now reside (legally) in the USA. Illegal immigration is a real problem and one that needs to be addressed. Sadly, at the national level all I hear of, wherther it be from the GOP or The Dems, is talk of amnesty. I can understand Arizonan's frustration with the problem. It's too bad DC isn't on the border, if it were then maybe they might actually enforce the laws on the books.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Never mind that illegal immigration is down over 60% now from the start of the decade<< And the real estate bubble burst played a big role in that. Illegals are going home because they can't find work. Of course, once things pick up they will return.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Another point for Donny to explain to all of us regarding Jan Brewer's integrity, is her campaign chairman's lobbyist ties to the largest for-profit prison corporation in the country. (Brewer's communications director no longer lobbies for the prison company, but his wife currently does): <a href="http://www.kpho.com/news/24834877/detail.html" target="_blank">http://www.kpho.com/news/24834...ail.html</a> "Caroline Isaacs from the American Friends Service Committee, which advocates for social justice issues, said the money is evidence of influence the company has on the governor. Isaacs said private prison companies have been buying influence in Arizona politics for years. The number of private prisons and jails operating across the state shows the result of that influence, he said. Currently, there are at least 12 for-profit prison, jail and detention facilities in Arizona. Isaacs said the state has something else that attracts these companies. “The other Holy Grail, if you will, of private prison construction is immigrant detention,” Isaacs said. Corrections Corporation of America holds the contract with Immigration and Customs Enforcement to lock up illegal immigrants picked up in Arizona. Tough immigration laws such as Arizona's SB 1070 could send thousands of new bodies its way, and millions of dollars." KPHO News in Phoenix was told by Coughlin, the campaign chairman, that there was no connection between Jan Brewer and the undocumented workers who've been arrested by local authorities. But that is simply not the case: "But ICE’s spokesman in Phoenix told CBS 5 News the agency gets most of its detainees from local law enforcement. Records obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request show Arizona agencies turned over 23,000 illegal immigrants to ICE over the past three years. Hundreds of them ended in up CCA facilities." Executives and employees of the for-profit prison company, CCA, have also contributed to Brewer's re-election campaign. The whole thing smells highly corrupt. Brewer's hands are not clean on this one. Not by a long shot.
Originally Posted By ecdc Privatized prisons are just evil in their own right. Making a buck trying to get as many people incarcerated as possible. But I'm sure it's just a coincidence the U.S. has the highest per-capita prison population in the world.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I think she should get a pass for the long pause thing. We all get brain freeze and just blank sometimes. Big deal." Maybe, but for some reason I got the impression that she really has no ideas and simply lost track of her rehearsed talking points when the camera focused on her. Throughout the debate she clearly demonstrated that she has difficulty thinking on her feet. And now for some frivolity: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRdN_m48m4o" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...N_m48m4o</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Maybe, but for some reason I got the impression that she really has no ideas and simply lost track of her rehearsed talking points when the camera focused on her. Throughout the debate she clearly demonstrated that she has difficulty thinking on her feet.<< That may well be. I don't like much of anything about Jan Brewer. But I dislike even more how we expect our politicians - on either side of the aisle - to behave. We want them to be bland but exciting, honest but reassuring, smart but average, leaders but commoners, inoffensive but bold, natural but well-groomed, spontaneous but cautious, human but unemotional.
