Originally Posted By skinnerbox I agree with Dr Hans. I, too, believe Brewer blanked out because all of her comments and statements were rehearsed and planned in advance, and she lost her place. She didn't know where to pick up from, and froze. I also believe she's incapable of thinking on her feet, as evidenced by her getaway from the media afterwards when they pressured her to respond to the decapitated bodies question. An experienced politician and orator knows how to speak extemporaneously, and typically does it very well. Brewer has no such evident skill and fails miserably when she's unprepared. The woman is all about corporations, especially those corporations who generously fund her election campaigns. She doesn't give a lick about the citizens of AZ or if AZ is a good national citizen for the country. It's all about misrepresenting the truth and cozying up to the for-profit prison industry and ginning up fear in her electorate to scare them into voting against their own best interest.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox I've stated it before and I'll keep on stating it until election day. If the Republicans actually cared about immigration concerns, they would have been leading the charge when Bush and the GOP controlled D.C. Where were the Republicans regarding undocumented workers back then? Right now, they're screaming that Obama and the Dems are worthless because they haven't solved this problem in the 20 months Obama has been in office. Well... they had six years to solve immigration. REPUBLICANS HAD SIX YEARS TO FIX IMMIGRATION. DONNY... WHY DIDN'T THEY FIX IT? You still believe Republicans can fix this problem now. You plan to vote for them because of that belief. But at the same time, you demonize the Dems for not being able to fix it in 20 months while also making excuses for the Republicans for their failure to fix immigration under Bush for six years. Don't you see how hypocritical that belief is? The Dems haven't done it in 20 months, so to heck with them. Out they go. Granted, the Republicans couldn't fix it in SIX YEARS. But what the heck... I'm going to give them another shot. Dems have to be perfect and fix everything RIGHT NOW. But the Republicans can take their time with it. WTF?? The GOP has been ignoring these employers and their illegal hiring practices for years. They did not and still do not want to "rock the boat" and upset these employers who contribute generously to their election campaigns. It's all about the money. It's always about the money. It always will be about the money. The focus of fixing immigration SHOULD be on the employers who hire undocumented workers, and not the undocumented workers themselves. Without jobs, these immigrants simply will not come to this country. This is why immigration has been declining in the past few years, because the jobs have been drying up, because of the recession. Immigrants are not coming to our country mainly for free social services, no matter what the conservatives keep claiming. Immigrants still need cold hard cash to rent a home and purchase food and clothing. Contrary to what folks like Donny choose to believe, undocumented workers cannot get all of their basic needs met without having a steady income. That means they have to work in order to live here. Without jobs, they simply cannot do it. Do you want to solve the immigration problem? Cut off the source of employment. Go after employers who hire undocumented workers. That is how you solve this problem. NOT with SB1070.
Originally Posted By Donny skinnerbox I have never said Republicans are the answer.You need to understand I am not like you I don't think my party is right and yours is wrong.I don't like many things about Gov. Brewer but SB1070 trumps any other good ideas the alternatives.See to me Illegal immigration effects schools,hospitals,streets,tax base,insurance,safety, and so much more to force these people home will have a positive outlook in our society not only for the U.S. but for Mexico as well because they will go home with skills they didn't have before and hopefully demand a less corrupt Government.Skinnerbox I agree with what you say but I do believe this is not a DEM or REP issue but an American issue.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I do believe this is not a DEM or REP issue but an American issue.<< So again, you're voting for Obama since he's deported so many illegal immigrants, correct?
Originally Posted By Donny ecdc No Obama has allowed the Justice department to go after Sheriff Joe Arpio who is only enforced the law that the Federal Government allowed him to,the same laws and the same way the Federal Government enforces it today also the Obama administration has gone after SB1070 calling it unconstitutional but like I said the Federal Government profiles in the same way Arizona wants to and the Federal Government should allow Arizona defend its self.BUSH and Obama have failed to secure our States but Obama is looking to strip the agencies that are actually doing the job from doing it where Bush turned a blind eye.Trust me if Obama was doing a better job in this I would be trumpeting him for it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Arizona wants to and the Federal Government should allow Arizona defend its self." Let's call a spade a spade. You're an idiot. You've been told enough times. Arizona wasn't and isn't under attack, there is no such thing as "defendng itself", and the only governmental entity that can do anything about the Mexican border is the federal government. End of the damn story.
Originally Posted By Donny SingleParkPassholder "Let's call a spade a spade. You're an idiot. You've been told enough times. Arizona wasn't and isn't under attack" I hope if I ever have the opportunity to meet you you will be brave enough to say that to my face.I bet you won't but with that said what do you call it when an intruder that sneaks covertly into your community and does not legally use resources that a full tax payer has paid for their entire life.It's an attack .P.S. don't call me an idiot I am a Soldier, Fireman , a elementary volunteer , Dad and Step Dad and so much more but I am not an idiot. what are you ????
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Donny wants state governments like Arizona to have the same rights and responsibilities as the Federal government. Of course, they also want the states to have separate rights, such as setting up their own state constitution and making their own state laws. Donny wants Arizona to have it both ways. Act like the Federal government when it suits them. Act like an individual state government when it suits them. Sorry, but... it doesn't work that way, per the US Constitution. Either Arizona is a part of the United States of America and as such, defers to the Federal government in matters of our nation's border, or they're not a part of the US but a separate nation state. Pick one and accept it. Arizona as a state in the US, or Arizona as a separate nation state. You cannot have both.
Originally Posted By Donny I don't think states should be able to go to war,I don't think states should be sovereign from federal law,I don't think States should be exempt from federal taxes but I do think when a state can point out how its taxes and resources are being absorbed by a foreign invader that it should be allowed to arrest the criminal act.You have to admit Arizona is negatively effected by these illegals. Singlepassholder I hope you will respond
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "lol Hans, loved the video!" I thought about you when I posted it Constance. I figured you'd get a kick out of it.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<what do you call it when an intruder that sneaks covertly into your community and does not legally use resources that a full tax payer has paid for their entire life>> Undocumented workers do not "sneak covertly" into communities since they do not live and work inside basements. They openly rent apartments and houses and live and work and shop in the community, all above ground. They also PAY TAXES. Yes, Donny... they pay taxes. And not just sales tax. Most of them also contribute to payroll taxes, like unemployment insurance, workman's comp, and FICA. But unlike you and me, they will never be able to make a claim against any of those insurance programs they're paying into, because of their status. Employers are complicit in this activity. They've willfully accepted false SSA numbers for years. Undocumented workers pay into a system through payroll deductions that they will never be able to use, which helps to keep the programs solvent at the expense of the immigrants who cannot utilize them. So don't give me any crap about "using resources illegally" that they haven't paid for. It's simply not true.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<You have to admit Arizona is negatively effected by these illegals.>> Republican spin at its worst. It's simply not true. (See post #53 as to why.)
Originally Posted By Donny If you have been around as long as I have you have seen how owners of companies use the 10-99 or independent contractor laws to make it so that the individual is responsible for their own taxes with little Federal over site you can bend the rules and nothing will happen.This has been repeated from farms to hotels ,McDonald's and even cities.Joe Arpio has busted the city of Mesa,Gold Canyon Candles,and a few more for doing this very thing but we need more hero's defending the Americans who do pay a FULL TAX and busting the criminals the hire and who employ these people. Singlepassholder I am still waiting....
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Post 34 from SportGoofy highlights the REAL reason Arizona is having economic woes these days. I'm going to re-post it here for Donny's benefit: <<Arizona is an interesting case because it is one of the western states that bet its entire future on the real estate bubble. Cities like Phoenix are great examples of what happens when you let real estate developers make all of your government policy decisions. The place is a complete disaster. So, what does Arizona do to fix the mess they are in? They blame illegals for all of their problems. Never mind that illegal immigration is down over 60% now from the start of the decade. In Arizona, it's just a scapegoat to distract voters from ever figuring out that their corrupt politicians were profiting off of the masses for a decade while they took kickbacks from real estate developers in exchange for no regulation and sweetheart deals to allow condo communities to be barfed up all over the desert.>> Go ahead and fact check this, Donny. It's absolutely true. Illegal immigration in AZ is down since 2000. Way down. Over 60% lower now than 10 years ago. And crime is also down. Sen Kyl was lying through his teeth. Crime is not up in AZ. It is declining, along with illegal immigration. You claim not to be an idiot. Then go ahead and do some research and find this stuff out for yourself. Arizona citizens are being taken for a ride by corrupt politicians who want to stay in power but are too afraid that their constituents will figure out what really went wrong. They blame undocumented workers for the states' ills, and the uninformed voters like you, Donny, eat it right up without question.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. - Matthew 23:24
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<... owners of companies use the 10-99 or independent contractor laws to make it so that the individual is responsible for their own taxes with little Federal over site...>> Are you kidding me? "With little Federal oversite"?? I know all about Form 1099. I have a M.A. and my profession is nothing but contractual. No one in my field works permanently for one company. If the employer is failing to report to the IRS about the income it's paying to the contractor, then that employer is essentially paying cash under the table, which is illegal. That is not the same as the employer issuing Form 1099 at the end of the job but failing to report it to the IRS. No form would be issued at the end of the job if the employer was not going to report it to the IRS. And if the employer does notify the IRS but the contractor fails to report the income, then that individual will eventually get caught up with and charged with tax fraud. Unless, of course, he or she flees the country. But from what you claim, Donny, that apparently is not happening, since these "covert illegals" are putting down roots in the communities and sucking up all kinds of illegal resources meant for FULL TAX paying citizens. How can you suck up tons of resources if you're fleeing the country after only six weeks on a construction job? You can't have it both ways.
Originally Posted By Labuda "P.S. don't call me an idiot I am a Soldier, Fireman , a elementary volunteer , Dad and Step Dad and so much more but I am not an idiot. what are you ????" He's intelligent, honest and well-spoken. i.e., a complete 180 from a person like YOU.
Originally Posted By Labuda Oh, and I *would* say that to your face, Donny. And if you struck me, I would have your sorry self arrested and I would press charges.
