Originally Posted By Donny Labuda Did I ever say I would hurt anyone ? ANSWER : NO and I wouldn't unless they represented a threat to me or my family.I have had many spirited debates with people face to face on issues like this one where I do have very strong feelings about the subject I have always had the ability to respect that the other side has a right to their opinion even when I know I know more on the subject then they do and in those times I never resort to name calling like singlepassholder did or creating a scenario where I say "And if you struck me, I would have your sorry self arrested and I would press charges."because you're right if someone hit me for saying words I would probably call the police as well.Your friend probably is more intelligent then me but lets not say I am a 180 of a person you have no idea how loved in my community I am but as an example I just moved to Wisconsin and already donating my time and money to organize a festival to help get money for some local charities.I have been helping the all volunteer fire department with organize alert system to solve the slow response times of first responders and even thought I am a Mormon I have been helping my (Non-Mormon) wifes church with their computers for free even though they keep trying to convert me to their religion at every turn.So am I really 180 from singlepassholder or maybe he should have held back his name calling and just stuck to the debate ????
Originally Posted By Mr X Donny, I appreciate that you are sticking around the conversation. I really do. I think it's important for all sides to be heard, and I hope that you also appreciate that what you say may be challenged (just like anyone's comments), however... ***No Obama has allowed the Justice department to go after Sheriff Joe Arpio*** Do you REALLY think that the President of the United States concerns himself with one rogue sheriff? Do you acknowledge that there are layers of authority in these sorts of matters? That the President might not be concerned with this sort of thing, that he might assign others to deal with it? When you equate President Obama with "going after" Arpaio, you sound like a nut. And when you claim that is the reason you wouldn't vote for him or support him, you come off as unreasonable. Can you see that?
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I am a Mormon I have been helping my (Non-Mormon) wifes church with their computers for free even though they keep trying to convert me to their religion at every turn*** You DO realize that Mormons are famous for trying to convert people to their religion at every turn, right? Just sayin...
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<"I think she should get a pass for the long pause thing. We all get brain freeze and just blank sometimes. Big deal.">> <Maybe, but for some reason I got the impression that she really has no ideas and simply lost track of her rehearsed talking points when the camera focused on her. Throughout the debate she clearly demonstrated that she has difficulty thinking on her feet.> Maybe so, but I'd have to see the whole debate in context, then; all the clips seem to show is the long pause and not what preceded it. Did she have brain freeze because she lost track of her talking points, or simply because she got brain freeze like we all do sometimes? I have no idea, so I'm TRYING to be charitable here! There was more than enough from the debate (and certainly from the post-debate "you can't make me admit I lied about the decapitated heads thing and I'm taking my ball and going home now" clip) to make her look terrible.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Go ahead and fact check this, Donny. It's absolutely true. Illegal immigration in AZ is down since 2000. Way down. Over 60% lower now than 10 years ago. And crime is also down. Sen Kyl was lying through his teeth. Crime is not up in AZ. It is declining, along with illegal immigration. You claim not to be an idiot. Then go ahead and do some research and find this stuff out for yourself. Arizona citizens are being taken for a ride by corrupt politicians who want to stay in power but are too afraid that their constituents will figure out what really went wrong. They blame undocumented workers for the states' ills, and the uninformed voters like you, Donny, eat it right up without question.> Bingo. Donny, you may be a fine person, but you are coming across as uninformed on this topic. You really are swallowing what these pols are telling you without looking deeper for the real reasons for AZ's economic woes. They're creating this scapegoat to distract from their own culpability, and you're lapping it up. (And it would help if you would cop to the plagiarism you were caught at - a simple "my bad" would help your credibility a bit here.) You're also coming off uninformed about the separation of state and federal powers, and you need to research that deeper too, rather than simply accept what some websites or op-eds tell you. And it doesn't matter that they may be pervasive and you read stuff like it all the time - if 1,000 people all say the same incorrect thing, it's still incorrect.
Originally Posted By Labuda Donny, please forgive me, but when online you tell a person "say that to my face" it tendns to come across as confrontational and without the power of words and body language, it's going to come across as violent. That being said, I'm glad to hear that was NOT your intent after all. And it's nice to hear that you're helping out the way you are in the new place you moved to, but your political beliefs are still wrong, as has been pointed out time and again here. Facts are facts; opinions don't matter when facts are present.
Originally Posted By Donny Labuda,Thank you and I understand where my political views can rub people the wrong way
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I know all about Form 1099. I have a M.A. and my profession is nothing but contractual.<< And I bet you think this makes you more qualified to comment than Donny. Elitist.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<And I bet you think this makes you more qualified to comment than Donny. Elitist.>> Even better than that. I became elitist way before I got the M.A. It happened the first time I voted for a Dem. GO DUKAKIS!! 8^D
Originally Posted By mawnck >>GO DUKAKIS!!<< I'm seriously considering having a t-shirt made that said "Don't Blame Me ... I Voted for Mondale/Ferraro." Whether I have the guts to walk around Orange County wearing it is another story.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "...So am I really 180 from singlepassholder or maybe he should have held back his name calling and just stuck to the debate ????" No, you got exactly what was coming to you. You obviously don't know me too well. "Saying it to your face" is something I've been doing for a living in one form or another since 1978, and since 2001 I've been doing it for the government. It might not seem like it to some, but I actually have tempered my remarks for the most part here over the years, but more and more lately, as I have said, I just refuse to suffer fools any longer when it comes to politics, and you, Donny, are one of those people. You've bought hook, line and sinker into the fear mongering tactics of the hard right and the tea partiers. Others here have attempted to explain to you much more nicely and eloquently than I care to do. You should take the time to read them, and then decide who really is working against our country's best interests.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance ""lol Hans, loved the video!" I thought about you when I posted it Constance. I figured you'd get a kick out of it." You're right! I do get a huge quick out of things like this. Remember a couple years ago or whenever it was, when Tom Cruise had that scary interview where he seemed off his rocker? Laughing like a crazy person, etc. Well, I remember how fun it was looking at the Youtube videos making fun of that! lol
Originally Posted By Donny singlepassholder says " since 2001 I've been doing it for the government." What do you do for the Government ????
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "singlepassholder says " since 2001 I've been doing it for the government." What do you do for the Government ????" I'm a child support enforcement attorney.
Originally Posted By Mr X Danged government interference into peoples lives! If Dads want to be deadbeats, who's the government to say they can't have that freedom!?
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance Must be depressing after a while working with nothing but crappy parents who don't want to support their own kids. Do you ever take them and just start shaking them to try and shake some sense into them?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Must be depressing after a while working with nothing but crappy parents who don't want to support their own kids. Do you ever take them and just start shaking them to try and shake some sense into them?" It isn't all crappy parents, but certainly enough of them who won't take responsibility. Occasionally you get one whom you would like to "shake", figuratively speaking, but there are other remedies available for those types. I learned how to compartmentalize this type of stuff decades ago, so most times within a short while of dealing with certain cases I've moved on to the next one and would likely have to struggle to remember the names of the bad ones. Private attorneys I deal with on a regular basis say they could never do what we do, but then again, they do other types of family law such as custody and visitation, divorces and the like that I only did briefly in private practice and hated. There's nothing like having a mother call you at 9:06 p.m. on a weekend night saying the father is six minutes late (!) picking up the kids at their designated drop off point (often a police station or a McDonald's) and she's tired of his disrespect and abuse and she's not going to hang around and wait, etc. While often these people have valid complaints, it is more often the domain of the supremely dysfunctional. It's also a large part of why I'm convinced that when left to their own devices and decision making, enough people will make bad decisions that will eventually affect those around them. Whether it's support, custody, visitation or decisions made by big corporations, baser instincts win out far too often. The parents didn't check with our court system before they decided to make that baby, but often they'll end up before because they can't make sound decisions about parenting that child. We'd prefer they didn't and that they act like adults and figure it out, but no, they need the laws and regulations to force them to do the right thing.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Arrrggghhh. "...but often they'll end up before us because..."
