Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>"I know that a child's education is important, and home schooling someone like I've personally seen is having them grow up ignorant, and will leave them poor with little chance of advancement"<<< jonvn, these might be YOUR personal experiences but you have a tendency to paint with a very broad brush. Just because YOU have witnessed people who were taught at home who grew up "ignorant" does not mean EVERYONE who is taught at home is ignorant. My 3rd child asked to be home taught when she was a Jr in High School. The friends she had there were starting to be involved in drugs and she wanted no part of it. She not only graduated early with top marks, (she was able to take general ed at the local college for FREE) she had most of her college general ed completed before she was 18. She now makes more $$ than 95% of 20 year olds out in the work force today. Home schooling has come a long way-too bad you seem so ignorant about the subject.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Just because YOU have witnessed people who were taught at home who grew up "ignorant" does not mean EVERYONE who is taught at home is ignorant." Actually, I kind of said that. I said studies show kids who are home school generally do as well if not better. But that I don't know how those studies were done, nor how they compared. "Home schooling has come a long way-too bad you seem so ignorant about the subject." I think you need to read what I said a bit more carefully.
Originally Posted By dlkozy ^^^>>> "I know that a child's education is important, and home schooling someone like I've personally seen is having them grow up ignorant, and will leave them poor with little chance of advancement."<<< Your words. It is also interesting that you throw studies around the way you do-first you want us to believe your studies that you post-then when there is another study supporting someone else's view you are quick to say.. >>> "But that I don't know how those studies were done, nor how they compared."<<<
Originally Posted By imadisneygal Sorry, there isn't any link about the "Prairie Family." They were Annual Passholders in the 1990's and were known to many CM's of the time. Their ban was between the family, Security, Main Entrance, Guest Relations, and APD. It didn't make the news like when the Guest who drove her electic scooter like a bat out of you-know-where got her pass revoked for slamming into other Guests. That made the local news in a big way. The Prairie family are just a part of Disneyland history...sorry there's no link! I bet Westsider remembers them. Is he still around anywhere?
Originally Posted By wendebird Here's a site with some statistics: <a href="http://epaa.asu.edu/epaa/v7n8/" target="_blank">http://epaa.asu.edu/epaa/v7n8/</a> There's a LOT there. I think it answers some of jonvn's questions though.
Originally Posted By DlandJB They're almost all young adults now (the youngest is about 16 - the oldest is around 22) and still live at home. .......... I thought you were talking about little kids. That does seem extreme.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Your words." Yes. You need to try to figure out the meaning of what I've personally seen vs. what studies have shown. And that I don't know the specifics of these studies.
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle >>It seems that on this thread people picked their sides early on--those that thought it was ok to have this many kids, and those that don't. Now no matter what information comes to light (including the creepy revelations on birth control) people seem determined to defend this family<< FWIW, I started off defending this family and as more details came out, I posted that I could see why people have a problem with the family and think they're a bit strange, and there are several things they do that I don't agree with. I still think it's their right to have this many children, and I think it's their right to homeschool, etc. But I didn't just pick a side at the beginning and stick to it, regardless of the facts.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Wow, this was an interesting read! I can't believe I read through the ENTIRE topic, LOL! I guess I was interested because I've seen the specials on this family that aired on TLC. They've had several now, including a road trip that included Disneyland. First, I agree that homeschooling can be good or bad, as well as parenting. There are examples of each. Second, it's interesting for me to look at this family, having grown up in an Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian home myself. Even though people are asking for others not to be "judgemental", I think we all do it to an extent, and I'm just going to be a bit snarky about it. Based on my background, I have some "inside information", so I feel like I can judge some...and because I've constantly been judged by that same establishment (I'm gay, by the way). So...on to the Duggars. I can't help but be fascinated by watching the specials, yet creeped out at the same time. They remind me of a family I went to church, and later school, with. They had 2 daughters who were junior high age when I met them. They had been home schooled all their lives up until that point. I can't remember what the reason for stopping was, but they were put into the Christian school I went to. In this instance, like the Duggars, they had not have much social interaction with people outside of their comfort zone. I can tell you that these girls were like kids in a candy store when they were finally allowed to participate in "real life" activities and socialize with people who might not believe the same way they did. Even going to the video store was just a huge thing for them. We always felt kind of sorry for them because they had no clue, and had quite a lot of catching up to do, and this was at a Christian school...I can't imagine them at a public school. Anyway, I feel that way about the Duggar family. They may go out and see the sights, but they really only interact with like-minded families. After looking at Joshua's website, it makes me even more concerened that a teenager is so angry about something he probably doesn't fully comprehend. I do think that the media attention they are getting is probably helping the kids somewhat. I mean, you've got to interact with the producers, camera crew, etc. Also, judging by the People magazine cover, they relaxed on the "uniform" look. I mean I felt really bad for the girls before when they all wore those hand-made frumpy frocks that looked like some school uniform rather than playclothes. Also, the "J" naming thing really gets on my nerves. It's not cute...people think it is, but 17 "J's is a bit much...I mean "Jinger"? That's pushing it, LOL! At least they were better about it than George Forman...naming all his kids "George" (one too many punches to the head, if you ask me). Honestly, the kids do seem fairly well adjusted, but there have been some wide shots with many members, and you get the glazed over looks, or the occasional look of depresstion or indifference. Heck, you have to be as organized as Michelle to keep that machine running, but man, it's a machine! The kids are constantly working, and have little time for play. That's the sad part to me, that they will grow up mostly without non-structured "kid time". I guess it's not much different than the old farm life in the last century, but they seem to really be raising a good little Christian army...especially judging by the oldest's website (yikes!). I do wonder what will become of all the children when they're grown. Statistically you will have some who don't follow the family's values, and will they be ostricized for it? I also wonder if any of them are gay, and how they, and the family would cope with that. What happens when one of the girls decides she doesn't want that many kids and goes on the pill? Actually, on that topic, in one of the specials, they asked one of the girls (I forget which, but it started with a "J", LOL) what she wanted to do when she got older. She said she wanted to be a mother and have a lot of kids. The only thing is that she stared at the ceiling when she said that and seemed like that was the response she was SUPPOSED to want, rather than what she really wanted. Anyway, having been brought up in a strict (non-Quiverfull) household, I understand some of their beliefs, and frankly, find them disconcerting. I'm not going to say that the government should step in in cases of too many children, or religious beliefs, but I really have a problem with breeding to create a political and social force that will tow your party line. Hopefully that will end up backfiring...
Originally Posted By LVBelle There's a new Duggar special Friday night on the Discovery Health channel! I believe it's on at 9.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 I guess it's good I don't have TV right now, LOL! I'm sure it'll be rerun over and over like the other specials though. I do have that voyeuristic interest in watching though.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF Geez, next time maybe they'll put a microscopic camera in her uterus so we can see the absolute moment the sperm hits the egg...
