Originally Posted By Manfried No, no, no. Real flying cars! Weren't there supposed to be flying cars this year?
Originally Posted By GOB The Dueling Dumbos are reported to be built from scratch. The Flying Carpets is a slightly different ride system than other spinners; it cannot operate in the rain and holds double the capacity of the extant Dumbos. If I'm not mistaken, it may have been built from leftovers of Triceratop Spin in Dinoland. As much as I would like to see it leave Adventureland, according to FoxxFurr, the spinners' capacity is very good (facilitating ops in Ad/Lib) and I doubt with so much removed capacity in the MK over the past few years that they could afford to pull it out for aesthetic (or crowd congestion) reasons.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>If I'm not mistaken, it may have been built from leftovers of Triceratop Spin in Dinoland<< No, Carpets came first. The hope was that with the resotoration of Fantasyland's capacity they would then be able to get by without the carpets. I understand they are reported to be built from scratch, but there was some post on some blog about them keeping the original open until the 1st of 2 spinners was up and running. Then they would move the old Dumbo into the #2 spot. Not sure if this is correct, but it was out there.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox I hate to admit it, but the carpets are the main reason why I've avoided AdvLnd since their installation. I hate what it's done to the area, the congestion around the ride, and the overall dumbed down feel of what used to be one of the more tranquil spots in the park. Unlike DL's AdvLnd which I grew up with, MK's had this take-me-away-to-exotic-lands vibe that Anaheim couldn't accomplish, with such a small footprint. But once that stupid spinner showed up, all those exotic warm fuzzies disappeared. Now those can only be found at DAK in Harambe. AdvLnd needs some TLC. Time to remove the carpets.
Originally Posted By ChiMike Man Skinner, great post again. I couldn't have said it better. Hands down, Adventureland/Caribbean Plaza was my favorite area of the MK. What they did to it in a matter of 4 years between the Spinner and POTC/shops is a travesty. Some really really great design work that has been so abused and neglected I wouldn't even know where to begin. It's amazing how easily it was to neutralize all the layers of style and subtlety in one fell swoop with pincarts, Aladdin theming and the Kmart toy department. And then you have what once was a deceivingly open town center coordinating every amazing design departure leading into it, while giving guests a way to be physically at ease, ruined by an attraction that could be found in three other spots on property. Anyways, lets all hope for the next time there is a chance to see this thing get removed.
Originally Posted By ChiMike And the irony isn't lost on most people that DL's Adventureland's biggest weakness is considered it's crowd pinchpoints, so to see them consciously inflict the same problem on MK's Polynesian paradise is frustrating to say the least.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>No. I think it is a huge waste of money and land.<<< If just slapped down, yeah. But if used correctly, like in Tomorrowland, it works. Kinetic art.
Originally Posted By ChiMike Now you're just trying to argue EE. My comment that you quoted was in reference to the value of Dueling Dumbos in the expansion area v. just leaving one Dumbo where it currently is. The Dueling Dumbos project, imo, is a huge waste of money and land. Not sure how that plays into Dueling Dumbos in Tomorrowland as Kinetic art.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Ohhh, in that context, yes. I agree. I didn't get that the first time around. The kinetic art was in reference to Tomorrowland's Spinner, which is exactly that, IMO. Sorry for the misread, overly excited tonight... LOL.
Originally Posted By ChiMike I think Astro Orbiter is a great attraction. Great kinetics, but also just plain fun.
Originally Posted By Bolna <<Hands down, Adventureland/Caribbean Plaza was my favorite area of the MK. What they did to it in a matter of 4 years between the Spinner and POTC/shops is a travesty. Some really really great design work that has been so abused and neglected I wouldn't even know where to begin.>> Once again, that's one of the comments which make me realize what a different view I have of the MK because I first visited in 2004 and with a background of several visits to DLP before then. I still remember how let down I felt by Adventureland. I love Adventureland at DLP and knew that MK's would be different because the Jungle Cruise takes up a lot of space. But I was just so disappointed, it felt like a row of empty houses and the spinner taking up way too much space in the area it stands in.
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn I know, since they're doing two Dumbos, they should do TWO flying carpets in Adventureland. (duck and cover...)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> Once again, that's one of the comments which make me realize what a different view I have of the MK because I first visited in 2004 and with a background of several visits to DLP before then. I still remember how let down I felt by Adventureland. I love Adventureland at DLP and knew that MK's would be different because the Jungle Cruise takes up a lot of space. But I was just so disappointed, it felt like a row of empty houses and the spinner taking up way too much space in the area it stands in<<<< Well, did you do the JC and the Treehouse? That adds a TON IMHO. The entrance to the land is a little funnel like, with the houses, yes, but the back half of the land is really chocked full. Only major problem is the aesthetics with the Spinner. And now that the Tiki Room is back, it'll actually be better!
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn It's not a spinner. It's ~real~ flying carpets. They actually fly in the air. They're magic.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Spinner is bad. Shuttered shops are worse. Entering the land and immediately seeing one of the largest QSRs sitting empty is worse. Entering the land and immediately hitting a smoking area is worse. Walking up the Treehouse and seeing the same trash in the overgrown foliage one day that you saw 10 days prior is worse. Seeing PoC never being in proper show shape is worse. Exiting PoC and entering a cheap, tacky flea market in what used to be a tranquil, beautiful, landscaped plaza is worse. Seeing areas that used to be wonderfully themed shops turned into dining rooms for a QSR that is shuttered 9-10 months a year is worse. ~GFC~
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn If you go to South America or central Africa, I bet you'd see shuttered shops, empty QSRs (or any Rs), smoking areas, overgrown foliage, nothing in proper shape, cheap/tacky flea markets. Adventureland is more realistic!
Originally Posted By Bolna <<Well, did you do the JC and the Treehouse?>> Yes, I did. I understand that comparing it with DLP's Adventureland is rather unfair, because they have more space to use there. I just wasn't expected to be as disappointed as I was and that's why I thought ChiMike's comment was so interesting: It sounds like it has changed quite a bit and not for the better. I am really looking forward to the Tiki Room (if they live up to the expectations and don't throw something stupid in there). But at the moment I think the Tiki Room is just too much hidden by the spinner. And I like the tiki statues, DLP doesn't have tikis and I miss them there.
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Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Admin? Oh goodness... >>>I am really looking forward to the Tiki Room (if they live up to the expectations and don't throw something stupid in there). But at the moment I think the Tiki Room is just too much hidden by the spinner. And I like the tiki statues, DLP doesn't have tikis and I miss them there.<<<< I think we will be safe with the Tiki Room, but I am eager to see it open. And normal. LOL. Also, there's no such thing as a bad tiki.
