Originally Posted By mrkthompsn I want to think that Walt himself was ten times more excited about WDW than Disneyland. He may have seen DL as a wee little stepping stone on the way to something more grand. Anyway I wonder what WDW's 50th year will be like. I wonder if the other parks will play any roll.
Originally Posted By smeeeko WDW Rocks!!! (checking to be sure I'm in the right section.. yep WDW General!.. ok!) ok.. yeah.. I LOVE WDW. WDW is my resort. When we go there, I am ON VACATION! I am immersed, I am bathing in the "hey I can finally RELAX!" I went to WDW as a kid twice. I remember the trips.. (which is a good thing cause I don't have any photos from the visits.. it's not like we didn't have a camera) Anyway, I was like 5yrs old and uh.. 10.. so whatever. The thing is, when it comes to DCA (living in California now) it's the closest best thing to WDW without leaving the state. I don't prefer DL, but that's ok.. cause there are THOUSANDS who do (and that's precisely why I don't prefer it). I'm not saying I don't go to DL but it doesn't feel like vacation for me. We go down from Berkeley every month.. which is nice.. but it doesn't feel like vacation. It's like visiting family. I like visiting family, but I know them pretty well. Maybe I'll feel like that if I became a WDW local.. but I somehow doubt it. We have plenty of friends in the WDW area and they seem to always have things to do and people to see.. and never get tired of the park.. We only go maybe once a year (if we're lucky.. We haven't been since Dec 2003 so that's a big stretch for SeanYoda anyway!! LOL!!) We always having something new to do or see there, regardless if we've done it before. WDW is never "the same river twice," to put a Disney spin on it.. I guess DLR isn't the same visit twice either, but I dunno.. I haven't gotten far enough away to see a new tree. =( (although I did see some very pretty, rotting oranges on a tree near Tomorrowland.. some people were pointing going 'look at the orange trees!!' to their kids.. and a little boy goes "ewww!" and I thought about my uncle's trees and Florida and thought 'what a shame' but I didn't take a picture. the oranges were like hearts bursting through.. I thought people use those for food in the park?). Anyway.. WDW Rocks!!! whoo hoo!!! If I had a lighter I'd hold it up.. *VBG* "DISNAY WURRLLDD!!!!!!!" =) yeah.. need sleep.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>WDW Rocks!!! (checking to be sure I'm in the right section.. yep WDW General!.. ok!)<< Yes you are in the right section but that doesn't meant this is the Pollyanna section as well. The good and the bad will be discussed.
Originally Posted By smeeeko ^^yes we live in SoCal now, btw.. so we avoid weekends and usually eat at the resort hotels or something. =) (didn't want you thinking I moved to Berkeley overnite..heh)
Originally Posted By smeeeko ^^TDLFAN wow you are fast! I was checking cause I have a habit of posting stuff in the wrong section.. "my wdw countdown" got posted in the DL countdown section.. LOL! So yeah I was checking for me, not cause there's no such thing as good & 'bad'.. there is. I just want to make sure I'm in the write topic to discuss it.. =)
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Now DLR RULES!!! (Along with TDR of course) I would not leave sunny CA for anything, especially to be closed to rundown MK and overgrown WDW.
Originally Posted By MrToadWildRider But you yourself said the GOOD and the bad will be discussed and Smeeeko is just discussing the good
Originally Posted By danyoung >Why do you want to see fake California, while you're living there.< I've just never bought into this. Maybe the theme wasn't the greatest, but if the attractions in the park were up to what we consider Disney level, then the place would have been a hit from the start. But combine the lack of killer attractions with a strange layout that is not at all immersive and an entire land of off the shelf carny stuff, and you have a park that just didn't grab the interest.
Originally Posted By danyoung >I want to think that Walt himself was ten times more excited about WDW than Disneyland.< But his excitement had nothing to do with the parks. It was all about the original EPCOT concept, the thought of building a real working city that Walt was jazzed about. I don't know whether he would have liked the Epcot park or not. But he sure would have been hacked that the Disney execs of the period went with another park instead of his beloved city of the future.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Then we could have taken him to Celebration now......maybe not the original EPCOT concept -- but surely a piece of it. From all the clips and footage I have seen, I think he was most excited about the space and size and potential of the place. He was excited about things he hadn;t even thought up yet, but was going to have the room to do.
Originally Posted By danyoung >From all the clips and footage I have seen, I think he was most excited about the space and size and potential of the place.< I think that was the public face that the company put out there. But in everything I've read about Disney the man, it was all about the city. I recall reading that Walt wasn't all that thrilled with the Magic Kingdom concept, feeling that he was repeating himself. But he was talked into it because it would serve as the weenie to attract people and attention to the area. But even on his death bed, he was still plotting out his future city on the ceiling tiles of the hospital room.
Originally Posted By dshyates How very romantic, but Walt wasn't talked into the MK. The original plan for "The Florida Project" was to pretty muck transplant Disneyland into a Walt controlled environment. WDW may not have happened at all if Art Linkletter had taken his advice and bought most of the property adjacent to DL. Walt hated the neon spectacle of tacky tourist traps that lined Harbour Blvd.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost And yet the longest exposed part of the monorail went along side Harbor. I have trouble understanding that. It is the only part of the park that doesn't hide from the commercialism, in fact, it seems to embrace it!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss Well how else would they route the monorail track to get to the Disneyland Hotel? Besides, Disney was trying to demonstrate to the world that it was a legitimate transportation option, one that could move people more efficiently... what better way to do that then to showcase it alongside a congested roadway?
Originally Posted By danyoung >How very romantic, but Walt wasn't talked into the MK. The original plan for "The Florida Project" was to pretty muck transplant Disneyland into a Walt controlled environment.< From Bob Thomas' biography "Walt Disney: An American Original", widely considered the definitive biography on Walt - "Walt's opposition to a second Disneyland weakened as his organization at WED matured in its skills. Walt saw the chance of doing something beyond duplication of a theme park. He concluded that another Disneyland could be used as the "wienie" to accomplish his greater goal: planning and building a new kind of city that would show how people could live in a clean, handsome and stimulating community."
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> and a ToT that is far below the standard set by MGM's. << I have to go with TDLFAN on this comment. What do you mean by this? I've been on both attractions, and I don't know what you're talking about here. They are both quite attractive in their own rights.
