Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>But I'll forever encourage talking about Christ.<<<< Standing at the docks at Southampton, Trying to get to Holland or France, The man in the mack say, you better get back... ...Christ you know it ain't easy, they're gonna crucify me! Gotta love the Beatles, bigger than god you know.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>That opinion is fine. Nobody is going to force you to believe differently. But many of us believe every person needs saving, and we'll do a lot to help teach people about it.<< Or, let's word it like this: That opinion is fine. Nobody is going to force you to believe differently. But many of us believe every person needs atheism, and we'll do a lot to help teach people about it.
Originally Posted By mawnck Now now, he wasn't comparing the Beatles to Jesus as a person or God as a thing or whatever it is.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>But many of us believe every person needs atheism, and we'll do a lot to help teach people about it.<< To the point of throwing a fit when we see the word "Jesus" on the Christmas wrapping. ;-)
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Good choice, Dave. This should be Obama's new song. "Christ you know it ain't easy. You know how hard it can be. The way things are going They're gonna crucify me." Spot on.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>To the point of throwing a fit when we see the word "Jesus" on the Christmas wrapping. ;-)<< Refusing to buy the wrapping paper and "throwing a fit" are pretty different. IIRC, there was a thread here about an atheist message on a bus in Seattle. It was roundly condemned as "tacky" and "insensitive." Why are Christian messages not roundly condemned the same way?
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Refusing to buy the wrapping paper and "throwing a fit" are pretty different.<< Or to put it another way, would you accuse Josh of throwing a fit if he refused to buy Hanukkah wrapping paper instead of the Jesus wrapping paper? I know you had the obligatory smiley face, so maybe I'm taking this way too far (I do that sometimes). It just seems to me there's an expectation of tolerance and "why do you care so much!" from atheists, while we allow Christians to be as die-hard about their faith as they want. Atheists are frequently told - impatiently - "It's not hurting you - lighten up!" Christians are rarely told that. Having wrapping paper that says Jesus sends a pretty clear message about one's beliefs. Truth be told, if I got a gift from someone with wrapping paper that said Jesus all over it, I'd roll my eyes a bit. If I gave it to someone, especially since my friends and family know I'm an atheist, that'd just weird them out. I guess I don't see why that isn't pretty obvious.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Hanukkah wrapping paper would be cool. I haven't seen any around. Little dreidel pattern would be cool, and glowing menorahs. I'd use it.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper There is a LOT of Hanukkah wrapping paper down in these parts (South Florida). It is actually pretty attractive (a lot of blue and white.)
Originally Posted By skinnerbox If Orrin Hatch can write a song about Hanukkah, then Josh can use wrapping paper with dreidels and menorahs.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>It was roundly condemned as "tacky" and "insensitive." Why are Christian messages not roundly condemned the same way?<< I usually criticize tacky and insensitive Christian messages, but not **all** Christian messages are tacky and offensive to most sane people. I don't recall the bus thing, so I don't know if they were tacky and insensitive or not. >>Or to put it another way, would you accuse Josh of throwing a fit if he refused to buy Hanukkah wrapping paper instead of the Jesus wrapping paper?<< Well yeah. If he was celebrating Hanukkah with it.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo What is hillarious is I have always been taught that Easter is the most important of Christian Holidays as Passover is more important than Hannukah too.
Originally Posted By alexbook Meanwhile, Rep. Henry Brown (R-SC) is mad because the Obamas are sending out "Seasons Greetings" cards instead of Christmas cards. Never mind that Bush did the same thing last year. <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/10/white-house-christmas-decorations-yes-white-house-christmas-card/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20foxnews%2Fpolitics%20%28FOXNews.com%20-%20Politics%29" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/politic...itics%29</a> >>RESOLUTION Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the symbols and traditions of Christmas should be protected for use by those who celebrate Christmas. Whereas Christmas is a national holiday celebrated on December 25; and Whereas the Framers intended that the First Amendment of the Constitution, in prohibiting the establishment of religion, would not prohibit any mention of religion or reference to God in civic dialog: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That the House of Representatives-- (1) recognizes the importance of the symbols and traditions of Christmas; (2) strongly disapproves of attempts to ban references to Christmas; and (3) expresses support for the use of these symbols and traditions by those who celebrate Christmas.<< <a href="http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.RES.951" target="_blank">http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/....RES.951</a>:
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Ok, God and Christ were two different things for the founding father. Secondly, Obama and Bush have not banned Christmas, they have chosen to opt for Seasons Greetings.
Originally Posted By quincytoo >>>>I just got into a fight with my daughter because I refused to buy wrapping paper with the name Jesus on it. <<<<< I should have said mild disagreement....I did not throw a fit. Interesting posts many of which reinforces why I celebrate peace, love, family and goodwill towards others but why I do not celebrate Dec 25th as Jesus's birthday.
Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20091208/NEWS01/912080327" target="_blank">http://www.citizen-times.com/a...12080327</a> And then there's this.
