Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Typical. No matter how many conservatives point out why WE is hostile to them, and cut back posting, a few liberals will continue to believe it's all the conservatives' fault. We don't have "very extreme" biases; we're conservative. And there's a handful of posters here that can't accept conservative views, and so distort and denigrate them.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy ^^ You just posted a link in another topic justifying the ongoing birthers debate. Yet, you're biases aren't "very extreme?" Yeah, right. Try again, Doug.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh And, on cue, a liberal posts to distort and denigrate. My link didn't justify "the ongoing birthers debate", at least as most people would define it.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>...we don't have the cadre of right-wingers that we used to around here. Their positions are always going to be shot down with available facts at hand...<< Available facts? You mean like these: >>What a load of malarky, and what a coward.<< >>As they say, don't let the door hit 'cha...<< >>Not only is he a coward...he's also a hack.<< >>Ignorance, ignorance, ignorance...<< >>Holy cow... I just read the rest of that. Looney tunes, much?<< >>That's not surprising coming from a certifiable Christian fundamentalist nut who believes in a literal ark and that Methuselah really was 900 years old.<< >>R.C.-remote control posting<< >>I would like to thank RC Cola for the first post of this thread. It reaffirms my belief that many conservative believe they are very intellectual while proving that they have no frickin' clue what they are talking about... PS: I bet RC thinks Sarah Palin is smart.<< It's not just the "right-wingers" who left, it was pretty much anyone who finds it disagreeable to be routinely shouted down. That's why I've been (happily) absent from these boards for over a year.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>As they say, don't let the door hit 'cha...<< Well, Doug, since that was mine, I'll respond to that. Here we have a thread created by someone on the right who tells us The Way Things Are. Of course, it's all opinion and emotion based rhetoric of Standard Teabagger Talking Points. The poster then says he'll not waste his time considering or responding to anyone here, as he has much more success in his recruitment drives elsewhere. That's flipping the bird to folks in this section and then running off. So, I think my response was warranted and rather tame by comparison. Why should I, or anyone else, take such a poster or his rantings seriously? They basically want to come into a room, scream their opinion and leave. That isn't "discussion" by any definition. My response would have been identical for someone on the far left doing the same thing. I don't come here for agreement, I come here for discussion. As long as someone is willing to do that, I'll do my level best to keep my snideness in check. If they don't, well, tough cookies. This poster is attempting to "shout down" anyone and everyone with one post. That people don't like that and respond in kind is entirely normal.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Note that when a thoughtful conservative like wahoo or William starts a topic with something THOUGHTFUL - that doesn't happen. RC started this topic by coming on holier than thou, stating he wouldn't respond to the rabble here, and posting... a load of malarky (and it is entirely permissible to say that; a couple of us backed up why we thought so too, about specific points, e.g. posts 25 and 31). Hell, he even said we weren't worth discussing things with because we were - get this - Disney fans. And thus prone to "fantasy, wishful thinking, and emotional appeals." Surely, Dug, you would have to say that one can be a Disney fan and have intelligent things to say simultaneously, no? Anyway, Kar2oonman, as usual, said it best in #18.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 You beat me, 2oony! And I loved your last paragraph: "This poster is attempting to "shout down" anyone and everyone with one post." Well said indeed. That's exactly what it was.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Their positions are always going to be shot down with available facts at hand... << That one was mine, and I stand by it. For instance, he rails against gay marriage by saying that supporters are motivated by their "feelings". Facts in evidence show that people opposed to gay marriage do so because of religious beliefs and what's come to be called the "ick factor" - whereas supporters turn to the 14th amendment to support their arguments. So who's playing on feelings here? It's also apparent that conservatives will resort to demagoguery and fear-mongering - not to mention outright lies - as the go-to tools of persuasion. Death panels anyone? Birthers? Teabaggers? All of these are bonafide examples of conservative tactics and not one having an ounce of truth to them. Facts will win the argument every time, except with people who are ruled by fear, loathing and ignorance and superstition - they're the ones who go for the conservative positions, even though they're unsupportable. And for the record, I also tried to discourage the flaming of this poster, and encouraged him to hang around for awhile. The reason is because he does a better job of articulating and defending his beliefs than some others around here. I welcome posts from conservatives and recognize the need for their contributions to the discussion. Unfortunately the examples we see around here range from lame to pathetic. So as far as I'm concerned, RC is welcome to post his little heart out. I'll read them, I'll respond to them, and I'll defend his right to advocate whatever he chooses.
Originally Posted By ecdc Right on and right on. Let's be clear. These can be emotional topics. The very fact that we're here discussing these issues separates us from a majority of our fellow countrymen and women because we're interested in politics and world events. We're talking about it because we care about it and are invested in it. No one is pretending that liberals on LP have a perfect track record of politeness, openness, lack of ad hominem or personal attacks, etc. It happens; it's unfortunate, but it happens. But it's absurd at best, disingenuous at worst, to portray WE's as a place where polite, decent conservatives are shouted down by raving, nasty liberals. Conservatives on here have been just as nasty and just as fired up sometimes. The difference is, right now they're outnumbered after the devastating and appalling failures of the conservatives who ran our country for six years. It turned people off. It turned long-time Republicans into moderates and people like SPP who voted Republican for decades voted for a Democrat. WE's remains a microcosm of the rest of the country. We had a lot of energized people here after Obama won. Conservatives complained (some more maturely than others) but then got drowned out and disappeared. Now they sense some of the elation ebbing away and some disappointment of varying degrees by Obama supporters. Now they're coming back here and doing their tea party routine, claiming victimization and mistreatment while turning a blind-eye to their own behavior. Post 44 is a perfect example of that; Dug could get as personal as anyone while posting here, yet chooses to select quotes only from liberals frustrated over such a cowardly OP. I agree that there's better ways to respond, but like I said, such a selective cherry picking of one thread to suggest this is how WE's goes is absurd.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo And indeed, as already pointed out, there are some excellent examples of conservative posters on this board with well thought out and rationale debates. I may not always agree, but at least they engage in sensible debate, and sometimes I even do agree ;-) Gosh, now excuse me while I go back to reading about Ummah.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Ummah is the Islamic pursuit of community development. Helping one's neighbour, sounds a little socialist huh?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <It's also apparent that conservatives will resort to demagoguery and fear-mongering - not to mention outright lies - as the go-to tools of persuasion. Death panels anyone? Birthers? Teabaggers? > SOME conservatives, gad... SOME conservatives.
