Originally Posted By Mr X ***<Yeah, stuff like labor rules, desegregation, interracial marriage, women voting, etc.> Nope, that's good stuff. I'm talking about sex outside of marriage, language in society and on television, rampant pornography, crude and off-color humor being the #1 choice for comics and sitcoms*** It's a matter of opinion whether or not this, too, is "good stuff" or bad. As for me, I'm fine with it. Much better than the repressive past when you couldn't say what was on your mind, couldn't find any decent porn without traveling to a movie theater in New York City, and geniuses the likes of Lenny Bruce and George Carlin were being arrested for profanity. Nuts to that, today is loads better; cooler, more fun, more accepting, more open, etc. I'm fine with it.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Having a moral center and deciding to stick to them is a good thing in my book.*** What you meant to say was, having MY moral center and deciding to stick to it is a good thing in your book. Frankly, I find you to be an extremely immoral person. I know you'll bristle at the very idea, but that's the truth. Obviously our moral centers differ..see? And as for yours, I find it to be extraordinarily un-Christian I'm afraid.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***My problem is the harm it does to families, the basic unit of our society.*** It doesn't harm families, nor society. ***I feel it will harm our entire nation.*** You're wrong. Show some proof.
Originally Posted By utahjosh I know there have been studies done, and I've read some of them. However, I haven't studied the studies lately, and I frankly won't take the time to find and share them with you, because you'll discount them anyway because you don't agree with the results.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Things have changed - but Mother, Father, and kids as a family unit have been a constant in the most successful families, especially in our country.*** Tell that to the soon-to-be leader of the free world, Josh. He seems to have made a pretty successful go at it. Happiness and success comes in many forms.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I know there have been studies done, and I've read some of them.*** "Studies" that can be found on the Mormon.org homepage don't count, Josh.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***because you'll discount them anyway because you don't agree with the results.*** If it's a legitimate study done by impartial social scientiests, of course I won't discount them. I might disagree with them and say so and give reasons, but I wouldn't discount them out of hand. So, where are they?
Originally Posted By dsnykid Josh, I've been reading your posts for several months now and I really need to say this - I admire the strength of your convictions, I admire your faith in your religion and, more accurately I feel, your church. However, I do not follow the beliefs of your church nor do many others on these boards, as has been so glaringly pointed out to you ad nauseum. I do not attempt to interfere with your rights to follow the teachings of your church, I do not tell you that you do not have a place in heaven because of the life you lead, and I most certainly do not tell you that the life you lead is wrong and immoral. Please extend that same courtesy to the other posters on this site.
Originally Posted By utahjosh < Tell that to the soon-to-be leader of the free world, Josh. He seems to have made a pretty successful go at it. Happiness and success comes in many forms.> There are always exceptions, X. And I celebrate them. I'm talking about the greater benefit for the greater whole.
Originally Posted By utahjosh < I do not tell you that you do not have a place in heaven because of the life you lead, and I most certainly do not tell you that the life you lead is wrong and immoral. Please extend that same courtesy to the other posters on this site.> I've been told countless times that my belief system is wrong an immoral here on LP.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***There are always exceptions, X. And I celebrate them.*** No you do not. You actively work to suppress them and make such peoples lives more difficult. And for that, I will continue to say in response to your post 51 that you ARE acting in an immoral fashion.
Originally Posted By dshyates People can justify the most heinous acts with righteousness. The 9/11 hijackers thought they were saving the world from the evil infidels. Hitler thought he was making the world a better place be eliminating the Jews. Josh, if you are doing something for righteous reasons, and tons of folks are saying its bigoted and immoral, I suggest you really re-evaluate your reasoning. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I've been told countless times that my belief system is wrong an immoral here on LP.*** I couldn't care less about what you believe, Josh. If you want to be the kind of hypocrite that condemns gay intimacy as "sinful" while condoning similarly objectionable stuff like polygamy (present OR past), be my guest. It's not as though you aren't in good company, many religions are equally wrong-headed such as the one I grew up in (and am wholeheartedly ashamed of now). But no, it's not your belief system I find detestable, it's your actions. And if you want to claim that you have "the right" to adjust society to suit YOUR belief systems, I will tell you that you are wrong, I will oppose you with every fiber of my being, and I will direct you to reexamine your Constitution for clarification on this, thank you very much.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Josh, if you are doing something for righteous reasons, and tons of folks are saying its bigoted and immoral, I suggest you really re-evaluate your reasoning. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." Oh no, not his religion. They're always right. It's their magic underwear that makes them different. Hitler didn't have magic underwear, he only had a funny mustache.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster Josh has done his religion a great disservice by participating on these boards.
Originally Posted By utahjosh My religion will outlast anything you can try to say about it. The kindgom of God will roll forward until Christ himself returns and says the work is done. Time will tell.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <People can justify the most heinous acts with righteousness.> And they don't even have to be religious. For example, posts 52 to 58.
