Originally Posted By Capstan I get it. Star Wars is set in the past and interstellar travel doesn't relate to our future. So, why is it in Tomorrowland? Do you think Walt would have looked at a laser and seen it as a new sort of gun for a warship? Or would he have searched for it's creative uses. But let me guess: the 'lasers' in Star Wars aren't lasers, but some sort of ancient technology.... Walt liked to brag about having one of the world's largest submarine fleets. But his subs didn't shoot nuclear missles and torpedoes. They were for exploration and learning. Why do you think that was? And when he took us into space, why wasn't it to build platforms for weaponry? Why dou think that was? So, Star Wars is set in the "past." Walt was an ambulance driver in Europe in World War I, and so knew the reality of war. His idea of fantasy was fire-breathing dragons, frogs that can drive cars and kids and nannies who can fly. Science and technology were to him for building things, not wrecking them. Sure, he would have looked at a proposal for Star Tours and understood it was set in the past and was supposed to be fantasy, but he would have also sooked at it and likely said to himself, 'Who needs this? It's just so much more violence....'
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Who cares what Walt would have never approved of? Especially in 2006! I'm more interested to see what kind of attractions Bob Iger and Jay Rasulo are going to approve of in the here an now!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 gez, okay we got it.... the cartoon shorts Walt did for the war -- really weren't about war -- they were history ( even though they were current) - so you dismmiss those...then Star Wars has a bad message because there is war in there- even though the good guys win- - and his submarines shot blanks - eventhough this was not true in 20,000 Leaguyes under the sea - but you will find a way to dismiss that just like you did Davy Crockett -- You are anti- war and know everything Walt would have done -- we have it now.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Those guns he put into Frontierland -- figments of our imagination also... Hey Ray Kroc was in the same unit as Walt -- maybe they should stop any more Happy Meals for transformers / Narnia or anything else that may have battle scenes in it ? Someone should let them know what Ray wanted...
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror Walt's dead, by the way. Forty years this December. Kinda need to move past that whole "he wouldn't have done this or that" and start looking forward. You know, to a positive future. Like a future without terrorists trying to wipe us off the face of the Earth, that we're much too gutless to answer with appropriate force. Fantasy.
Originally Posted By a1stav "interstellar travel doesn't relate to our future." So far there is no evidence that we will ever go to any other solar systems. "the 'lasers' in Star Wars aren't lasers" No they are not, they are "blasters" which have no real basis in scientific fact at all. "So, why is it in Tomorrowland" Well this is a WDW thread, and Star Tours is in Disney MGM not Tomorrowland. I think that in Disneyland they just "made it fit." Thematically it would fit better in Fantasyland but stylistically better in Tomarowland. "His idea of fantasy was fire-breathing dragons" This is quite telling because Star Wars is a fantasy tale about "Jedi Knights" fighting creatures that are very much like dragons and ogers and the evil black knight Darth Vader. Walt approved of Pirates of the Caribbean which features violence, torture, slavery, drunkenness, rape and arson. This attraction was set in the past, Star Wars is set in the past, so I don't see the difference. If you want to draw parallels of Star Wars to our own human experience then the Roman empire would be the closest comparison. Far more than any probable future.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> Like a future without terrorists trying to wipe us off the face of the Earth, that we're much too gutless to answer with appropriate force. << I sense a movement of this entire thread over to the World Events section, any time now.
Originally Posted By brotherdave Geez, I hope not. I intended for this thread to be more 'fun' and 'speculation' than anything else. I wanted to try to keep this more on a more positive note of something Walt may not approved of than by bashing any particular attraction. We know that he's dead for almost 40 years. We know that we'll never actually know which attractions he would have approved and disapproved. But, we CAN speculate, using what we know of him, what he might have possibly liked or disliked. No one should take these topics too seriously. I created them to get some fun debates. Some of my favorite attractions (Rock n' Roller Coaster, Expedition Everest) I put on the list of attractions because that's what "I" thought he might not like. It doesn't mean that I'm right. It's entirely speculation on my part. There are a number of attractions from Walt's era at Disneyland (and cloned at WDW) that I don't really care for (Rocket to the Moon/Mission to Mars, Mad Tea Party, Autopia/Raceway). Yet, I know that they serve (or served) their purposes and could be a favorite among other fans and guests. And yes, I do look forward to the future of what new attractions may be added someday. So, if Capstan felt Walt would have disapproved of Star Tours (and Star Wars, in general), that's HIS opinion concerning this topic. I may not agree with him, but, he's welcome to his opinion. And now back to our regularly scheduled topic...
Originally Posted By a1stav "So, if Capstan felt Walt would have disapproved of Star Tours (and Star Wars, in general), that's HIS opinion concerning this topic. I may not agree with him, but, he's welcome to his opinion." Sure, but the reasons he provided were not very sound. I don't know if Walt would have liked Star Wars or not. The reasons that Capstan provided for Walt not liking it was not very sound. Now that does not mean that Walt would have liked Star Wars, if he were alive at the time he might have hated it, I don't know. Now I do feel that Walt would have disliked Alien Encounter, because it portrayed Alien contact as being a farce and horrific. It featured a mechanic being killed and the blood dripping on the spectators. Not a very bright image of the future. Now that does not mean that I don't approve of AE, in fact I think was one of the most initiative daring things ever undertaken by WDI.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror >>Geez, I hope not. I intended for this thread to be more 'fun' and 'speculation' than anything else. I wanted to try to keep this more on a more positive note of something Walt may not approved of than by bashing any particular attraction<<< Sorry. My point was that the future Walt envisioned was a noble vision, and that, sadly, reality has rendered his vision a fantasy. So where's the harm in realizing a variety of more "harmless" fantasies in Tomorrowland? The notion that Walt would have a problem with STAR WARS is ridiculous. Those who knew him best almost unequivocally were saying, in 1977, that Walt would have made Star Wars, or something very much like it, had he lived. And in fact, if you look at the multitude of movies he made about warfare and subterfuge, he was no shirk when it came to violence or dark material in his films. Heck, even DARBY O'GILL was daring for its depiction of the Banshee... and remains one of the few films of Hollywood, period, to include such an image.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy It's really something to see how far some threads will go down pathways that are quite distant from what the original poster might have had in mind.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <So, if Capstan felt Walt would have disapproved of Star Tours (and Star Wars, in general), that's HIS opinion concerning this topic. I may not agree with him, but, he's welcome to his opinion< and I agree -- right up until the preachiness turns into " go enjoy your wars " as a lone post--- at that point we have left any Disney topic and a response like that belongs on WE not in WDW threads. He and had a back and forth early on and he and I agreed to disagree - sincenetiehr of us know - Ihad no issue with that -- and like you said, heck Walt is gone for 40 yers who knows.....but then to not let it die and make it personal is the part I object to. Sorry your thread got hijacked for an anti - war protest
