Originally Posted By TomSawyer The fact that she took several days to make a decision indicates to me that there was a lot of political triangulation going on, RT. If she felt the same disgust with the bill that regular people did then she would have flat out said even before the bill got through the state Senate that she would veto it. That's why I'm skeptical about her motives. She did the right thing, but I think that in this case the right thing happened to coincide with morality.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>The fact that she took several days to make a decision indicates to me that there was a lot of political triangulation going on, RT<< It was the interests of the RR vs. The Chamber of Commerce. Guess who won? Personally I think it's hilarious how the RR clings to the GOP, given how the Repubs NEVER deliver to them. All they get is lip service.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Personally, I think Tikiduck nailed it. <<She strung it out because she loves media attention.>>
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Personally, I think Tikiduck nailed it. <<She strung it out because she loves media attention.>>
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Sorry for the double post... NO idea how it happened. I swear I just hit post once!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I agree. Considering that she vetoed something very similar last year, there was no way she was signing this. But last year's bill happened very quietly. This year it got all kinds of media attention and she went all "LeBron decision time" on us.
Originally Posted By Castleowner77 News flash, as of today in AZ, a business owner can still tell a gay person that they will not serve them. Nothing has changed. But, that NEVER happens, I asked a bunch of leftist loons on a FB page ( who sounded just like the ones on here ) to link to a story where a poor, discriminated against homosexual has been denied service from a private business that PROVIDED THAT SERVICE TO EVERYONE ELSE in the public. It never happens. If so, where are the stories from the liberal press? Brewer sucks..she didn't get in front of the predictable lies that always come from the LGBT community. They were going to wail and scream " anti gay discrimination " regardless of the truth. She blew it so a veto was the only option. The bill was about protecting the business owner from people who demanded the owner do something they didn't want to do for anyone. It's that simple. The only victims are the religious business owners from the sodomites. Next time in the next state, the Govenor will be ready and people will stop being FORCED to provide services they find offensive to their faith. Scott Walker in Wisconsin showed how to do this when he crushed the union thugs liars.... He was ahead of them and knew what they were going to say before they said it. The public was informed and he rolled to victory, twice..
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >Personally, I think Tikiduck nailed it.< <<She strung it out because she loves media attention.>> Yes, that too.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Great story about what businesses did to try to convince Brewer to veto the legislation, and how some of the strongest supporters for gay rights are big companies. (This is the fight for the future of the GOP right here - will the Tea Party win out, or will big business? It's odd that big corporations are the moral wing of the GOP.) If the GOP would jettison the religious right and get back to the moderate party of business and commerce that they used to be they'd have a permanent majority. <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/businesses-arizona-sb1062-104058.html?hp=f2">http://www.politico.com/story/...ml?hp=f2</a> Excerpts below: The Arizona legislation was an especially acute uproar over gay rights and religious liberty, but the larger dynamic at play there — pitting powerful business interests against ardent social conservatives — has played out over and over as the fight over same-sex marriage has spread across the country. In blue states like New York, big companies have played a pivotal role in pushing same-sex marriage measures into law. In battlegrounds like Virginia and now Arizona, corporate America has slowed or halted hard-right social policy from taking effect. What Arizona proved, as much as any other in recent American politics, is that there’s currently no more powerful constituency for gay rights than the Fortune 500 list. Business leaders in Arizona and Washington called the campaign to kill 1062 a moment of triumph for the corporate world, and a reflection of how the need to attract talented employees and project a tolerant image to consumers has overridden virtually any other political imperative businesses face in a state like Arizona. “I’m not a military person, but it was a DEFCON 1 situation,” said Glenn Hamer, president of the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry. “It would have been catastrophic, economically, if that bill had been signed.” “These companies don’t care whether the talent is white or black or Hispanic or Asian or gay or straight. They just want to get talented people,” Markell said. “I think these businesses score big points when their employees see they’re willing to step up and speak out.” American Bankers Association President Frank Keating, the former Republican governor of Oklahoma, said refusing service to consumers based on their sexual orientation is simply a nonstarter at this point for big companies. He likened the arguments for S.B. 1062 — that a religious conservative florist, for example, shouldn’t have to provide flowers for a gay wedding — to the mindset of racial segregation. “If you’re in the public accommodations space, you take all commerce. If you don’t want to be in it, you don’t have to be,” said Keating, himself an opponent of same-sex marriage. “As a Catholic, I think marriage is between a man and a woman. But that doesn’t mean in the public accommodations space that if you disagree with me, that you can’t be served lunch.” “Arizona’s Legislature has, for the third time, given the state a black eye and has perpetuated what we believe is a false impression of Arizona,” said Mesa Mayor Scott Smith, a real estate developer and Republican gubernatorial candidate, ahead of Brewer’s veto Wednesday.
Originally Posted By Castleowner77 Shout out to my Facebook pals from LP that are enjoying the fact that the Wold Events section on LP actually has an opposing voice that speaks for the majority for the first time in years. I don't have the time to mess with this much, but it's been fun none the less. The day after the election in November when their socialist heroes are swept from office by the people will be a day I for sure pop back in. You just know the low info libs on here and the ambulance chaser attorney with a single park pass are breaking the " Report topic to moderator" button in a panic. he he he... Kinda like the dictators that run Cuba or Venezuala.....opposition must..be..silenced!!!
Originally Posted By Castleowner77 << If the GOP would jettison the religious right and get back to the moderate party of business and commerce that they used to be they'd have a permanent majority.>> Wrong and ignorant. The country is 70% Christian...my gawd are you people out of touch. As if turning the country into a Godless society of Frisco gay parades is what the country wants. Please see what countries turn into when the secular left throw religion out of the nation. It's not pretty and it's not America.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<LP actually has an opposing voice that speaks for the majority for the first time in years.>> MAJORITY?? What a joke! When was the last time America elected a conservative president? Reagan??
Originally Posted By Castleowner77 When is the last time the GOP ran a conservative for president? Ted Cruz will be the next president.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip By the way Castleguy... sorry you've never gotten a hummer from your wife. Oh you HAVE? Well, I guess that makes you a Sodomite like everyone else!
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "That's why I'm skeptical about her motives. She did the right thing, but I think that in this case the right thing happened to coincide with morality." +1
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt The nice thing about Castleowner's posts is that I can skip over them knowing he adds zero to the discussion. It's made reading through these threads a breeze this morning!
Originally Posted By hopemax > and how some of the strongest supporters for gay rights are big companies. < Speaking of which, did everyone see the LP AutoPost thingy about how Disney has ended their relationship with the Boy Scouts of America in their "Ears to You" program over the BSA's positions on LGBT issues? <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-02-27/news/chi-disney-world-pulls-funding-for-boy-scouts-20140227_1_lgbt-walt-disney-world-ban">http://articles.chicagotribune...orld-ban</a>
Originally Posted By Dabob2 RT, Castleowner77 is Beau. He's not even hiding it. And even I have stopped feeding him. Starving the troll only works if everybody stops.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Meanwhile, here in L.A., a few months ago Clear Channel decided to dump Limbaugh from signal strength powerhouse KFI Am 640 and put him on puny signal strength KTLK Am 1150. KABC Am 790 has allowed Hannity to go there as well. Beck is already there. Syndicated hate radio is being marginalized here in Los Angeles. <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.dailynews.com/20131231/ktlk-salutes-rush-limbaugh-in-new-name-change">http://www.dailynews.com/20131...e-change</a>
