Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Government doesn't create jobs... business does.>> Government owns the bridges. Who builds them and maintains them? Government owns the highways. Who builds them and maintains them? Government owns the schools. Who builds them and maintains them? Government operates the military. The military is comprised of armed forces personnel, as well as weaponry, vehicles, and personnel bases. Who volunteers for the armed forces? Who builds the weaponry and vehicles? Who build and maintains the personnel bases? The government creates jobs all the time. The private sector works with government funding via contracts just as the public sector does. Quit drinking the conservative kool-aid. It's making you stupid.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Government doesn't create jobs... business does << Business responds to the demands of the market - us - the consumers. >> What about Libya? Imagine the howl if it were Bush and Cheney?? << Huh? We saw the howl generated when we did it Bush and Cheney's way - it didn't work and costs tens of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars - all carefully aimed at defense contractors - where it was intended all along. Libya worked - it was effective and inexpensive - and there were no howls, except from right wing tools.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Libya worked - it was effective and inexpensive - and there were no howls, except from right wing tools.>> Sorry to point this out, but the proper spelling is FOOLS, not TOOLS. Just thought you'd want to know...
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Hey KOOL AID! Government doesn't create jobs... business does. If it did the POTUS wouldn't be staring 9%+ unemployment in the face. He can give a speech and deliver the sausage pizza to the american people(Solyndra) How many jobs where created there? What about Libya? Imagine the howl if it were Bush and Cheney?? That Bush was an idiot, he didn't sound anything like my prof at community college." HEY, PAINFUL RECTAL ITCH!!! TRY CREATING JOBS IN AMERICA FOR A CHANGE INSTEAD OF CHINA OR INDIA. THAT SEEM TO BE THE ONLY THING YOU'RE GOOD AT.
Originally Posted By patrickegan Actually, some Chinese companies have taken over the shovel ready jobs. Beyond that most of those reinvestment jobs are under staffed as companies use that money just to pay overhead. The road jobs now only have several people on them where just a few years ago they'd of have 40. And now war and profiting contractors are okay?? The money wasted is disgusting. (I've watched companies burn millions in a day.) From personal experience I don't think the military is a good example to use for job creation. Plus, there's a draw down in Iraq and your buddy is getting ready to cut and run in Afghanistan. All of those deployed will be coming home to a 9%+ unemployment economy. You economic prof at community college was wrong! And all of the yelling make you look unstable ;-)
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Plus, there's a draw down in Iraq and your buddy is getting ready to cut and run in Afghanistan. All of those deployed will be coming home to a 9%+ unemployment economy" Let's take this little nugget rught here. No matter he does, you'll find a way to criticize Obama, thereby discrediting any belief you'd be open minded about things. For crissakes, you're even criticizing him for Khadaffi's death. Apparently you're in favor of Khadaffi still being able to kill his own people?
Originally Posted By patrickegan Single, Sounds like justification for an assassination attempt?? Can you honestly say you din't criticizes Bush for taking Saddam out? For the record I am/was against both wars.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Yeah, I can honestly say I didn't criticize Bush for taking out Hussein. I voted for Bush twice. I was one of the few people here defending him and the war when it started way back when. I tok a lot of grief over that. When it became obvious we went in for all the wrong reasons, I quit doing defending it. But Hussein was a bad guy, and I'm not sorry he's gone. Just like Khadaffi, just like bin Laden. I'm not a slave to ideology. I'm able to change my mind. Over and over again, if need be.
Originally Posted By patrickegan Okay, I appreciate your honesty. I find most of these discussions to be disingenuous. The same folks that worship Obama trashed Bush and I just don't see that wide of a gulf between the two (Besides the speeches)
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<"Plus, there's a draw down in Iraq and your buddy is getting ready to cut and run in Afghanistan. All of those deployed will be coming home to a 9%+ unemployment economy">> Ten plus years in Afghanistan isn't exactly cut and run. And the draw down was implemented by President Bush. President Obama is just following through.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 He's just pointing out that it can't be reasonably described as "cut and run" anywhere but bizarro world.
Originally Posted By patrickegan If the job's not done... Read the 2011 Afghanistan progress report... not good.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Afghanistan is where empires go to die. No one has ever been able to conquer or impose their will there. Alexander the Great, who conquered lands from Africa to Europe to India, couldn't do it. The British Empire, then the most powerful on earth, couldn't do it. The Soviet Union, then one of the two superpowers, couldn't do it. That wasn't so long ago. They had all the accouterments of a modern, mechanized army. At the time, they bordered Afghanistan, and could roll as many tanks in and out as they wanted. They didn't have to worry about airspace. They presumably had fewer scruples than we do about things like civilian casualties. And they couldn't do it. We've done what we went there to do. Bin Laden is dead (no thanks to Bush). There are an estimated 50 al Qaeda fighters left there. Unless you're prepared to stay there forever, at some point we have to let them run their own country. With a government that the Afghans have no interest in fighting for, there's absolutely no evidence or even likelihood that our staying 10 more years and then leaving will yield anything more positive from our standpoint than leaving now.
