Originally Posted By Mr X ***I have heard on this board people say that if God scooped them up and said "Here I am God" they still wouldn't believe.*** Where was that said? ***Someone on this board said that if that were to happen they would believe that they were having a bad dream or something.*** Someone said that? It's a rational thing to say, of course (one would really have to wonder what was going on if something truly unbelievable happened). Why, in particular, would that be regarded as a "bad" dream though? That doesn't make a lick of sense.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I believe too everyone eventually will have the opportunity to accept or reject Jesus Christ as their savior, but unfortunately I don't think everyone will make it.*** Why Jesus Christ? Why not Muhammad, or Buddah, or John Smith, or Sock-mimi? What is so different about him?
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Why Jesus Christ? What is so different about him?> The poster believes, as do I, that Jesus Christ is the only way to reach our full potential and to be saved from death and our sins. That's why. I know you disagree, but that's where the poster was coming from.
Originally Posted By utahjosh ^ Just assuming from the hundreds of posts I've read of yours that you don't believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to true salvation and happiness. If i'm wrong, than i'm sorry.
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn <Why Jesus Christ? Why not Muhammad, or Buddah, or John Smith, or Sock-mimi? What is so different about him?> Jesus was the only one among those people who actually broke the barrier between the sin of Man and the glory of God. God set a death penatly toward all mankind, because of man's sin against God. Jesus was the only one to divert that death penalty toward himself instead of you, and allowing you a free entrance into Heaven. Muhammad, or Buddah, or John Smith, or Sock-mimi cannot do that - and did not.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo But Mark, what if that was a cock and bull story? What if we are indeed reincarnated? Or that when we die, that is it, worm food? Or that actually Jesus was a blip, and actually the Torah is the way forward. Or how about that Islam is now the TRUE religion? After all, if Jesus came to show the light and take over from the jews, could not Mohammed be the new profit? Why Christianity?
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn It's up to you. That's the value of faith. You just don't really know. What's the risk of accepting the free ticket? What's the worst that could happen? Also, I don't believe in reincarnation. But I did in my past life.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>What's the worst that could happen?<<< Maybe you will not be reincarnated? ;-) Sounds like a Dr Pepper ad campaign. >>>Also, I don't believe in reincarnation. But I did in my past life.<<< ROTFL
Originally Posted By Mr X ***What's the risk of accepting the free ticket? What's the worst that could happen?*** So you should sign up to a particular religion because, hey, it's can't hurt and you might as well do it because if they're right you get to go to heaven? Seems awfully hypocritical to me.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>Jesus is the most likely of being right.<<< What makes hime more right than mohammed, or Buddha, or Yogi Rishi? Because that is what you have been brought up to believe?
Originally Posted By ecdc >>It's up to you. That's the value of faith. You just don't really know. What's the risk of accepting the free ticket? What's the worst that could happen?<< This is exactly what I was referring to in another thread. When it suits them, believers will employ "logic" to try and show why their way really is more plausible. But when shown that the logic doesn't work, they fall back on the "well, it's all just faith" argument. Can't have it both ways. It's either logical, or it's just faith, which, by definition, is devoid of reason and logic. I'm not saying that as a bad thing, I'm saying that's just how it is.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Can't have it both ways. It's either logical, or it's just faith, which, by definition, is devoid of reason and logic.> My faith, the way I know and the reason I believe God lives, cannot be proven by logic. I don't claim it should be. But elements of doctrine within the faith, and the history of faith and mankind on earth, is NOT devoid of logic and should be studied and understood the best we can.
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn <Can't have it both ways. It's either logical, or it's just faith, which, by definition, is devoid of reason and logic. I'm not saying that as a bad thing, I'm saying that's just how it is.> Yep. You can have logic and faith at the same time. Faith is not devoid of reason in logic. Faith is just devoid of something able to be read by your human senses. The Atomic Theory is not devoid of logic, or faith.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Jesus is the most likely of being right.*** See, it's ridiculous statements like this that turn me off to organized religion types. Guess what. There are billions of people, faithful and devoted people, who would disagree with you. You realize that, right? This "I'm right and you're wrong" mentality is EXACTLY what is wrong with religion, and why it is such a source of negativity in this world instead of the powerful source for good and understanding that it *could* be.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***The Atomic Theory is not devoid of logic, or faith.*** Not a matter of faith, it has been proven. Just ask the test subjects, the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 "Not a matter of faith, it has been proven." Exactly - you don't have "faith" that Atomic Theory is correct. One has only to turn on the lights that are powered by nuclear energy. Or see the results of an atomic bomb. Or see the amazing pictures of Saturn provided by the nuclear powered Cassini spacecraft.
