Originally Posted By dagobert >>>The year I was touring around Europe, the loudest group was in Versailles... Italians. And the most annoying in a restaurant... Americans<<< I live in Salzburg and many American tourists visit the city due to Sound of Music. I have never encountered any bad behaviour. However I recognized that Americans enjoy to buy a bottle of beer in the supermarket and sit right next to the river to drink it, like we do. We met some nice people and had some great talks. Especially younger American like that, since beer is legal at the age of 16.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "I live in Salzburg" Beautiful city with or without the Sound of Music connection.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 My sincerest apologies to tdlfan. I am at EPCOT at the moment. Tour groups everywhere. Loud chanting everywhere. And the kicker... Tour group on Single Rider line at Test Track. Single rider wait time is over 60 mins compared to the 100 min at Standby
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: My sisters and I were at the Magic Kingdom today, 7/14/13, and noticed many Brazilian Tour Groups as well. But, for once, they seemed better behaved than usual. We watched the 3 o'clock parade on the Tomorrowland side of the Hub and a large group of them were seated all around us. They just acted like normal teenagers and weren't a problem. We did noticed that two special cast members were coaching them about such things as sitting down on the pavement so as not to block the views of other guests who were behind them. All went smoothly.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "We did noticed that two special cast members were coaching them about such things as sitting down on the pavement so as not to block the views of other guests who were behind them." This is exactly what I would expect. Nice to hear that there are indeed some controls from Disney operations in place.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>>Just out of curiosity, how is getting 75 FPs at once any worse than putting 75 people into the standby line at once.<<< When you have two or three tour group guides standing for 5-8 minutes in front of 2-3 FP machines taking 75 tickets out at the same time, while the line of regular guests continue to grow behind them, while everyone waiting wonders why is this person's taking so long to get FPs, well.. that's a huge problem. It's also a problem when you get finally get your FP ticket and reads that your return time is now 20 minutes later than the time it showed posted on the FP signs at the time you stood in line. I know Disney is your rice and beans Ferret but that kind of entitlement in the part of these tour groups is unacceptable and intruding for other guests who paid full price for their tickets as opposed to discounted tour group rates. I have a problem with that and with CMs who are oblivious to such abuse. Then when the time comes to enter the FP Return line.. try accessing it when you have a group of 50-75 people trying to stay together and enter the line in front of you. All of a sudden it becomes a chaotic nightmare and your entry into the line is further delayed, especially since there are no CMs in sight keeping guests in a single line before entering the FP return queue. That's how it is worst if you must ask.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>>Just avoid any (TDR) anniversary, attraction opening or the Countdown Parties! All bets are off then and it becomes an absolute frenzy of pushing and shoving. The 30th this past April was no different. Everyone peaceful and calm on their plastic sheets at the turnstiles until the gates open and then it is every man for himself. Carnage.<<< Funny comment from you Leemac, since you were catered to as "PRESS" during TDR's 30th (while you're really just a hyper fan who manages to get fringe benefits it seems) Why, are you too good to do the morning stampede at TDR with the rest of the riffraff, which is just as common as the filthy conditions and poor behavious of guests at DLP which should be more of your concern being european yourself? If you hate attending TDR anniversaries, grand opening and such then, why do you go to them on a constant basis? Stay home then because I am sure that a more deserving fan could use the space in that PRESS ONLY section by the ceremony stage.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo Oh noes.....someone said something bad about TDL!!! How dare you leemac.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>It's also a problem when you get finally get your FP ticket and reads that your return time is now 20 minutes later than the time it showed posted on the FP signs at the time you stood in line.<< I agree that this is somewhat of a problem, but if the tour guides just used one (or maybe two) machines to get their group's FPs, then the others would remain open for regular guests. This means that they'd be able to get a time that's pretty close to what the sign said; I've found it pretty rare to get the exact time that you saw on the sign, so 5-10 minutes difference really doesn't bother me And for the entire group returning at the same time, that's just luck of the draw in my mind. Yes, it's annoying, but I've also had it happen when several large families just happened to return at the same time. The FP rules are very clear that it does not guarantee immediate boarding, so I see nothing wrong with it. Yes it's annoying. Yes it would be nice if they went around the parks in smaller groups. But they have just as much of a right to use FP to their advantage as anybody else does. It sucks to get in the FP queue behind them, but it also sucks to get in a standby queue behind them. There's just no sense to why they shouldn't be allowed to use it like everybody else
Originally Posted By leemac <<Funny comment from you Leemac, since you were catered to as "PRESS" during TDR's 30th (while you're really just a hyper fan who manages to get fringe benefits it seems) Why, are you too good to do the morning stampede at TDR with the rest of the riffraff, which is just as common as the filthy conditions and poor behavious of guests at DLP which should be more of your concern being european yourself?>> There is the grouchy old air hostess that we've missed so much recently on LP. Someone in coach give you grief recently? I wasn't working as "press" on April 15 - I clearly had my CM name tag on as I was working that day (if you saw me then you would have seen me in a WDI polo shirt and shorts). I happened to be in the park before guests entered and was entitled to sit down and wait for the ceremony. My colleagues had to stand as they arrived too late. Immediately afterwards I had a presentation to give over lunch at the TDL Hotel. Not that I need to justify anything to you. I find the behavior of the fanatics at TDR to be boorish and selfish. Unquestionably the worst at any of the resorts. They have a sense of entitlement that is unjustified. Thankfully the rest of the TDR guests are polite and a pleasure to meet.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Oh noes.....someone said something bad about TDL!!! How dare you leemac.>> Sacrilege eh? I'll go say a few Hail Marys and pray for forgiveness.
Originally Posted By tashajilek I better make sure not to fly the airline TDLfan works on. As far as fast passes go I would be pretty ticked off if one person was collecting a huge number of them and I was stuck in the line behind them.
Originally Posted By danyoung >When you have two or three tour group guides standing for 5-8 minutes in front of 2-3 FP machines taking 75 tickets out at the same time, while the line of regular guests continue to grow behind them, while everyone waiting wonders why is this person's taking so long to get FPs, well.. that's a huge problem.< I guess the point is what's the difference between that one person doing the FP tickets and 75 people all standing in line getting their tickets? As FA said, it's just the luck of the draw.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 And the reality is that most of the time it is one tour guide using one machine.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan It doesn't seem to me the tour guide is doing anything wrong. I've gotten Fast Passes for people in a small group of family and friends in the past, maybe 10 at a time. It's actually far more efficient than all 10 of us individually going to the machines, one at a time. It would be polite for a tour guide to allow someone just getting a few to go ahead and do that, (sort of like letting someone at the checkout counter go ahead of you when they have a couple of items vs. your basket of groceries) but in the larger scheme of things, I don't see what the problem is.
Originally Posted By danyoung >And the reality is that most of the time it is one tour guide using one machine.< Whereas 75 people would be clogging up ALL the machines!
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys Next time this happens to me I think I'll go up to the tour guide and ask him to get FP's for me and my wife.
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys TDLFAN's initial post on this topic is quite valid and makes some good points. For anyone here to defend the monopolization of certain areas such as FP kiosks or reserving space either in attraction lines, parade or fireworks seating for a large group is quite surprising. Disney has to do a better job of establishing guidelines for these large groups, as well as follow up on these guidelines. I have nothing against anyone enjoying WDW (and have even gone out of my way to let some tour group stragglers go ahead of me in line to catch up with their groups) but not at the expense of the general public.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Wow everybody can complain about a stroller or wheelchair inconveniencing you; but not huge tour groups from a foreign country. Or is it because it inconvenienced TDLFan, that you see no harm or foul play? When we plan our trips we always seem to want to know what the current convention or dance group or cheer squad or Pop Warner Celebration might be occurring. I think adding this alert is appropriate for a fair warning. Sorry that it is turning into an attack on a poster. Never like to see that No matter what.
