Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Again, I'm just not understanding what the difference is between one person (the tour guide) standing there getting 75 Fast passes vs. 75 people lining up to get Fast Passes. Either way, 75 Fast passes are going to the same 75 people, and one person getting them would free up all the other machines for other guests to use. What am I missing? Who is inconvenienced by that?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Whereas 75 people would be clogging up ALL the machines!<< Exactly!
Originally Posted By leemac <<For anyone here to defend the monopolization of certain areas such as FP kiosks or reserving space either in attraction lines, parade or fireworks seating for a large group is quite surprising.>> Two completely different issues IMHO. Reserving space in attraction lines and parade seating should be a no-no for any guest. Get in line together or wait. Same for parades. I see no issue with a tour group leader getting FPs for the entire group. They bought admission and are as entitled to a FP as anyone else. They aren't abusing any rules. Disney FP CMs are actually encouraged to recommend just one person enter the FP queue to get the FPs. It is a level playing field and everyone with a park ticket is entitled to a FP irrespective of who actually collects them.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Reserving space in attraction lines and parade seating should be a no-no for any guest. Get in line together or wait. Same for parades.<< Yep.
Originally Posted By tashajilek MMC, TDLFAN always seems to be attacking someone for not agreeing with them and will actually insult the poster. if he/she gets a little bit of it back I don't feel bad at all.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub If it is not that big of an advantage for a tour group then why do they do it? They certainly are receiving an advantage in their minds and it is a disadvantage for the average family or guest. ...just for the sake of arguing about FairPlay. Don't forget for your average family(4) one member is getting the pass so only 3 people are getting an advantage per one person in the FP line BUT a tour group of 75 means 74 people are having an advantage while only one person stands in the FP line. Does not seem fair to me. I do know that whenever I see a large tour group in the same direction as me I have enough sense to try to get in front of that group! Do you agree?
Originally Posted By danyoung >MMC, TDLFAN always seems to be attacking someone for not agreeing with them and will actually insult the poster.< QFT
Originally Posted By tashajilek You know what would upset me more is being a non resort guest and having thousands of people with already reserved FP' s. When that happens it will hurt a lot more than one person reserving 75.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Don't forget for your average family(4) one member is getting the pass so only 3 people are getting an advantage per one person in the FP line BUT a tour group of 75 means 74 people are having an advantage while only one person stands in the FP line. Does not seem fair to me.>> Don't agree at all - in fact 1 person getting 75 is quicker than 25 people getting 3 each. Everyone is entitled to use the system and there are absolutely no rules stating one person can't collect them all. As I said - CMs actually encourage that.
Originally Posted By leemac <<>MMC, TDLFAN always seems to be attacking someone for not agreeing with them and will actually insult the poster.< QFT>> I wouldn't worry - he'll storm off in a huff and then return for the millionth time in a few months.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>Don't forget for your average family(4) one member is getting the pass so only 3 people are getting an advantage per one person in the FP line BUT a tour group of 75 means 74 people are having an advantage while only one person stands in the FP line. Does not seem fair to me.<< In both situations, I think it's safe to assume that the FP runner would meet back up with their group, and be able to cut ahead in a queue. Whether for popcorn, a meal, or an attraction, I see individuals meeting up with the rest of their party all the time, and I have nothing against that. Maybe you had to go to the bathroom; maybe you ran to get a FP; maybe you needed to make a phone call. Or maybe that person misses out on the experience because they had to go do their individual thing. I don't have an issue with it, and expect it to a certain degree. Now, if it was the other way around, where one person was waiting in line saving space for 3 (or 74!), then I'd definitely take issue with that. However, as described, it sounds like they're just doing what everybody else is. Yes, there's an added hassle because there are simply so many of them (and they can even be difficult to walk past on a crowded walkway), but I still don't think they're doing anything wrong. >>I do know that whenever I see a large tour group in the same direction as me I have enough sense to try to get in front of that group! Do you agree?<< I do the same thing. If there's a family that looks like they're struggling to decide what to eat, I'll try to make sure to get in line ahead of them (not cutting, obviously), so that I don't get tangled up in their mess. But at a certain point, you have to expect to get stuck behind people in line at an amusement park; for better or for worse it's part of the experience. >>You know what would upset me more is being a non resort guest and having thousands of people with already reserved FP' s. When that happens it will hurt a lot more than one person reserving 75<< I completely agree.
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys I don't think the FP problem is with the tour groups- it's with Disney and their lack of protocol for managing these large groups. I'd prefer that rather than stand endlessly at a FP kiosk waiting for a tour guide to dispense 75 FP's, that Disney find an alternative way of dispensing the group's FP's. Maybe each group should be given what would be a considered an average amount of FP's based on what the normal usage would be and spread the usage over the course of a day; or have the tour guides go to Guest Relations and request x amount of FP's, time stamp them and not allow them to come back for another until that time is reached. This would prevent issues at the kiosks and the average guest wouldn't feel as though they are be inconvenienced.
Originally Posted By kennect "I wouldn't worry - he'll storm off in a huff and then return for the millionth time in a few months." ^^ haha
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Hey, I got an idea. Do away with Fastpass completely! Problem solved. No thanks are necessary. Just trying to be helpful.
Originally Posted By Brad It'll never happen - people are used to it now and expect it. Disney has created their own monster and a rod for OUR backs.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>I guess the point is what's the difference between that one person doing the FP tickets and 75 people all standing in line getting their tickets? As FA said, it's just the luck of the draw. << And I suspect that the single person can retrieve the 75 fast passes quicker than a disorganized melee of 75 singing, chattering teenagers.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros For what it's worth, I just spent 5 days in Brazil and returned this morning. While I was there (mostly in tourist areas), I only noticed 2 poorly behaved Brazilians, and they were both about 4 years old and were given a little too much freedom for the situation. All things considered, I think that's a pretty darn good track record, since you'd be hard pressed to find any American location where so many people were behaving themselves. It sounds to me like the tourguides really are the instigators, and need to be addressed On the flipside, my flight home last night/this morning (and the Sao Paulo airport yesterday afternoon) was full of American kids who had been in Rio for World Youth Day. While none of them were trying to be bad, the sheer numbers of them completely overwhelmed anybody else and brought all the focus to them. Yah, the boys sitting in my row probably got a little too rowdy a couple times, but they didn't mean any harm So what's the moral of the story? I'm not really sure. I guess we all behave ourselves better at 'home' in smaller groups than when we're abroad in large groups.
Originally Posted By tashajilek It's probably a lot of excitement too. You go anywhere and a large group of vacationers having a good time will probably be loud. I hope you ended up having a good trip, I would love to see Brazil one day.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros It was a blast! It wasn't as long as I would like (left Wednesday night, returned this morning), but it was a lot of fun. It really is winter down there, and apparently we got to experience some of the coldest temperatures in nearly a decade, but it felt nice after a couple hotter-than-normal weeks here leading up to it
