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Originally Posted By Dabob2 <>>I think SPP's right; only Beau was sure that anyone was saying he was going down.<< <Some blasts from the past:> Okay... Only the #4 "prediction" predicted he was going down. The others 1). CALLS for him to step down, which is not the same thing; 2). calls for him to be fired, which is also not the same thing; 3). pointed out that he was called back to the prosecutor and speculated that could be bad news (but not that it definitely was; 4). is the prediction I alluded to before; 5). is a collection of opinions all over the map (including mine that Rove would walk); 6). indicates that people were speculating about Rove again. In short, I don't see a lot of predicting that Rove would go down, even among those who might have liked to see it.
Originally Posted By Dirk_D_from_Oregon I was just waiting for you to weigh in on this Beau old boy. (slaps beau a resounding high-five)
Originally Posted By Eric Paddon "The others 1). CALLS for him to step down, which is not the same thing;" Oh yes it is, since the only reason why Rove should have to step down in the minds of some people is because of the rush to judgment mentality of declaring him guilty before all the facts were in (kind of like what some other people in this country are doing regarding the Marines at Haditha).
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Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<"The others 1). CALLS for him to step down, which is not the same thing;">> <Oh yes it is, since the only reason why Rove should have to step down in the minds of some people is because of the rush to judgment mentality of declaring him guilty before all the facts were in> It's not the same thing for two reasons: a). In the context of this thread, the claim was that many of us predicted Rove would go down. That's not the same thing as someone here saying he should. I'm no fan of Rove, and I predicted he would walk, for instance (though the quote from #1 was not me); b). many times, people under investigation will voluntarily step down in order to cease being a distraction, and will be reinstated later if cleared. So even someone who supported Rove could have called for him to step down temporarily. At any rate, calling for someone to step down, whether one supports him or not, is not the same thing as predicting he will be convicted of anything.
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Originally Posted By Dirk_D_from_Oregon By the way, categorically Carl Rove is a political Genius. If he transfers his services to the next presidential candidate the GOP will win the next presidential election by a landslide.
Originally Posted By Eric Paddon Beau, you also haven't heard them say much about the 50th district election last week, either. (though one guy tried to insist I was for the third party candidate!).
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Originally Posted By Dabob2 << Beau, get your facts straight. I predicted more than once that Rove would NOT be indicted (see, for one example #8 from >> <Only after you started to realize that Plame was not undercover> Nope, from the beginning. Show me, please where I ever predicted Rove was going down. You won't find it. So please don't say I said something I didn't, deal?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Did you say Plame was outed Dabob? Did you say Rove was in Trouble and the ivestigation was not over, over and over and over again?
Originally Posted By Eric Paddon Now this is really funny. Chuck Schumer, clearly distraught that there is no indictment coming of Rove for an illegal leak, is demanding that Fitzgerald release all the contents of his investigation. Someone should remind Chuck, that releasing grand jury testimony is illegal---even for the prosecutor.
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Originally Posted By DlandDug >>In short, I don't see a lot of predicting that Rove would go down, even among those who might have liked to see it.<< No one (other than TomSawyer) made an outright prediction. But there certainly was an awful lot of wishful thinking...
Originally Posted By Eric Paddon And Chuck of course, is the same guy who's been trying to deny the existence of the Second Amendment for years.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >><< Beau, get your facts straight. I predicted more than once that Rove would NOT be indicted (see, for one example #8 from >> Only after you started to realize that Plame was not undercover and that Joe Wilson is the liar in all of this.<< Actually, clear back in early July he said: >>I hate to sound jaded, but my guess is that he skates.<< <a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/default.asp?WCI=MsgBoard&WCE=T-64303-P1&Refresh=0613124324" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/de fault.asp?WCI=MsgBoard&WCE=T-64303-P1&Refresh=0613124324</a>
