Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Here's what I said, "Mr Fitzgerald has since said he has no evidence that any damage was done by her name being released." And here's what Mr Fitzgerald said, "a formal assessment has not been done of the damage caused by the disclosure of Valerie Wilson's status as a CIA employee, and thus we possess no such document." If some people really want to maintain there's a big difference between the two, then they are not honestly looking at the facts.
Originally Posted By Dirk_D_from_Oregon I'm just wondering why nobody was arrested for outing Valerie Plame? I thought this was big deal and it was going to bring Cheney and Rove down!!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <If some people really want to maintain there's a big difference between the two, then they are not honestly looking at the facts.> No, we're looking at his actual words, vs. your characterization of them. Fitzgerald made his statement in response to Defense's request for actual documents. Fitzgerald said we have no such documents to give you. That is not at all the same as saying categorically that "no damage was done." But at least, as I said, I can see how you got from A to B now. Or, IMO, more like A to D.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> I'm just wondering why nobody was arrested for outing Valerie Plame? << Because administration officials lied to the prosecutor. Hence, libby was indicted on perjury and obstruction of justice. See how that works?
Originally Posted By Dirk_D_from_Oregon --Because administration officials lied to the prosecutor. Hence, libby was indicted on perjury and obstruction of justice. See how that works?-- Gadzux, do you really think that Libby forgetting who he talked to regarding Plame was the reason no charges were brought for the White House outing a top secret agent? You are kidding right? She was never undercover to begin with, hows that for reality? It is to bad the radical left couldn't get this fact sooner so they didn't have to once again crash and burn and have the country laugh at them. Besides, since when do liberals care about the CIA?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 FWIW, Fitzgerald has issued statements saying that Libby's perjury had the effect of "throwing sand in the face" of the investigation, making it difficult and perhaps impossible to get to the bottom of it.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <That is not at all the same as saying categorically that "no damage was done."> Of course it isn't, and that's not what I said. I said Mr Fitzgerald said he didn't have any evidence that any damage was done, which is what he admitted in the quote.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Fitzgerald has issued statements saying that Libby's perjury had the effect of "throwing sand in the face" of the investigation, making it difficult and perhaps impossible to get to the bottom of it.> Not quite. At the press conference announcing the indictment, Fitzgerald used the baseball metaphor to explain how having someone commit perjury and obstruct justice could "throw sand in the umpire's face." But from what we know of what happened, it's hard to see how Mr Libby's having a different recollection of what happened than some reporters did could have prevented Mr Fitzgerald from finding out if a crime had been committed when someone gave Ms Plame's name and occupation to Robert Novak.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Well, we don't know everything, now do we? The leaks from the grand jury have been remarkably few. And it's hard to see why Fitzgerald would have brought up that metaphor at all in regards to Libby unless he considered him or someone else being investigated to be a "sand thrower."
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Of course it isn't, and that's not what I said. I said Mr Fitzgerald said he didn't have any evidence that any damage was done, which is what he admitted in the quote.> We can all see what you said, and what Fitzgerald said. It was a leap. Not a huge leap, but a leap.
Originally Posted By Nautilus A leap from Main Street to Tom Sawyer’s rafts is not a huge leap? I’d call that an impossible leap. Distinguishing a regular “leap†from a “huge leap†is entirely subjective. One man’s non-huge “leap†is another man’s long stride - Depending on either man’s stature. Would it be a leap to say the same goes for the measure of a stretch?
Originally Posted By Dirk_D_from_Oregon Bottom line. The left said Valerie Plame was outed by Rove, Cheney and the White House. They said it was a crime. They said it was a huge deal. In the end, they were once again wrong and now the conservatives get to laugh at another " sure fire scandal " gone wrong for the looney left.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <A leap from Main Street to Tom Sawyer’s rafts is not a huge leap? I’d call that an impossible leap.> Um, the Main Street horse cars were a "A" ticket - TSI rafts were a "D" ticket... you see I was trying a DL reference and needed an "A" and a "D"... oh, you know what they say; if you have to explain it... <Distinguishing a regular “leap†from a “huge leap†is entirely subjective. > Correct. I think it was a bigger leap than DD does; no surprise there. Everyone else can make up their own minds.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Gosh... how will this all turn out? I'm on tenterhooks waiting for the resolution.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Wow, reading this thread was hillarious. Where is gadzuux now? We tried to tell him. We always try to tell the lis what is going on but they just never get it until they have overplayed their hand. Then they start threads telling us how intellectual they are. BWAAAHHHAAHHAAAA
