Originally Posted By Beaumandy <Robert Novak should go to jail.> I almost agree. So should Armatige and Colin Powell and Joe Wilson I suppose.
Originally Posted By jonvn The guy who leaked the information should go to jail. The reporter who reported it should go to jail. The members of the administration who tried to cover up any illegal activity should also go to jail.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Why should anyone go to jail? For wasting our time and hyping a non story?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I don't see any crimes. Libby is going to walk. You need to take your meds. Joe Wilson being a proven liar might need to go to the slammer for being such a tool but even that is streching it.
Originally Posted By jonvn I need to take my meds. No. What I need to remember is that trying to discuss anything with you at all is an utter waste of time. You are unable to function in any sort of rational discussion, and can't understand what is said to you.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy What crime was committed jon? Is that to hard to answer since you make it sound so obvious?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy jon, you are the one not worth bothering with. You dodge the most basic questions then tell us all how you can't get a good debate from a conservative. I will ask again. Who should be arrested and why? Forget it, your a blowhard.
Originally Posted By ecdc "Forget it, your a blowhard." Beau, if you're going to attack people, will you at least learn to spell. Seriously.
Originally Posted By jonvn Please, just ignore the guy, he's obvious a nut or something. He can't even figure out what I was saying two posts ago, and requires it to be said again to him. I mean, he himself even said to some of it that he partially agrees, and now it's apparently gone again. So there's obviously something wrong.
Originally Posted By DlandDug The question that has never been resolved to the satisfaction of some people is whether Plame really was covert or not. If she was, a crime was committed. If not, none. Regardless, it seems obvious now that Armitage leaked her identity to Novak, who then printed it as part of a column. Whether there were other sources or not will continue to be the subject of debate. What is also apparent is that Armitage was simply engaging in gossip. There was no intended malice. So, if Plame was truly wronged, he is the one who did it.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<The guy who leaked the information should go to jail.>> Why jon? I was saying that someone should pay for letting this bogus story go on for years. But you are talking about actual jail time for Novak. Novak didn't do anything illegal and neither did Armitage. Only a nut would say these people should go to jail for simply saying a name.
Originally Posted By jonvn "What is also apparent is that Armitage was simply engaging in gossip." You don't "gossip" about such things. If you ever worked for a company that engaged in classified information, you'd know if you even told your spouse, you'd be in a world of trouble.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "What is also apparent is that Armitage was simply engaging in gossip." An unbelievable way of excusing Armitage. He was "simply gossiping"? That would be hilarious, but the sad thing is, the poster actually means it. Bill Clinton himself couldn't come up with something as Clintonesque as "simply gossip".
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>You don't "gossip" about such things.<< >>An unbelievable way of excusing Armitage. He was "simply gossiping"? That would be hilarious, but the sad thing is, the poster actually means it.<< Actually, this was gleaned from a variety of news sources. "This poster" was simply repeating what is, to observant newswatchers, conventional wisdom. But don't take my word for it. Here are a few (and I will forgo the usual suspects on the right, who would have you believe that Armitage is a cross between Rona Barrett, Louella Parsons, and the Politburo). From the Washington Post: ( <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/28/AR2006082801278.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/28/AR2006082801278.html</a> ) >>Armitage did not return a phone call to his office yesterday, but his former colleague, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Armitage had described disclosing Plame's employment to Novak in an offhand manner, virtually as gossip, at the end of a conversation in Armitage's office.<< From MSNBC/Newsweek: ( <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14 533384/site/newsweek</a> ) >>Armitage, a well-known gossip who loves to dish and receive juicy tidbits about Washington characters, apparently hadn't thought through the possible implications of telling Novak about Plame's identity. "I'm afraid I may be the guy that caused this whole thing..." << From National Public Radio: ( <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5732395" target="_blank">http://www.npr.org/templates/s tory/story.php?storyId=5732395</a> ) >>Said to be a notorious gossip, Armitage told several reporters about Valerie Plame's role with the CIA -- but he reportedly didn't realize for several months that he was the source described in one of their articles.<< From David Corn in Ariana Huffington's blog: ( <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-corn/the-meaning-of-the-armita_b_28097.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ david-corn/the-meaning-of-the-armita_b_28097.html</a> ) >>Colleagues of Armitage told us that Armitage--who is known to be an inveterate gossip--was only conveying a hot tidbit, not aiming to do Joe Wilson harm. Ford says, "My sense from Rich is that it was just chitchat." (When Armitage testified before the Iran-contra grand jury many years earlier, he had described himself as "a terrible gossip...")<< If Armitage himself admits to being "a terrible gossip" (and many years previous to this flap), who am I to contradict him?
Originally Posted By jonvn It doesnt matter. Because: 1) You don't gossip about such things. 2) You don't discuss such things. 3) Revealing such information should land you in jail. If you were a low level employee at say...Northrup, you'd not only be fired for something like this, you'd face prosecution. 4) Covering up such behavior should also land you in jail.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Well, I certainly agree that it is unwise for someone highly placed and with such sensitive information to engage in gossip. Indeed, if it turns out that this is an offense worthy of prosecution, Armitage should be taken to task.
Originally Posted By jonvn Unwise? It is illegal to publically disclose classified information that you have been entrusted with.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy What classified information was illegal to discuss? The lies continue.
