Originally Posted By utahjosh <My video is stricktly factual Josh, no opinions thrown into it> And mine are based on faith. Which is different than, not opposite to, scientific fact as man understands it.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance Josh or Mawnck, please explain how Christianity is a valid belief system when lots of religions before Christianity had a son born on the 25th of December to a virgin mother, who grew up performing miracles with 12 disciples and was persecuted and put to death on a cross, rose from the dead 3 days later, etc, etc, etc??? What makes Christianity any different than all the religions that came before it teaching the same messages BEFORE Jesus was ever born?
Originally Posted By utahjosh 1) Christianity doesn't have a son born on the 25th of December. And there are many answers to the questions you are posing, but I have to leave the computer right now.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance "And mine are based on faith. Which is different than, not opposite to, scientific fact as man understands it. " Vastly different, Josh. I'm not trying to spread my opinions, just spreading around the facts for people to form their own opinions.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance Christianity doesn't believe that Jesus was born on the 25th of December? Then what is the reason for the season? I'll be waiting for your answers when you're back, Josh.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <What makes Christianity any different than all the religions that came before it teaching the same messages BEFORE Jesus was ever born?> Before I go I'll say one thing about this: God had this whole Christ as our savior thing planned out before mankind existed, and told Prophets about it ages before He came. That's how the message got around BEFORE Jesus was ever born.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Christianity doesn't believe that Jesus was born on the 25th of December? Then what is the reason for the season?> Nope. Christianity adopted that time to celebrate to tie in better to the culture. I don't know the exact history there, but that's why. I think it happened in the Spring.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Josh or Mawnck, please explain how Christianity is a valid belief system when lots of religions before Christianity had a son born on the 25th of December to a virgin mother, who grew up performing miracles with 12 disciples and was persecuted and put to death on a cross, rose from the dead 3 days later, etc, etc, etc??? << That's not what Christianity is about, nor is it the source of its validity. And what Josh said in 47.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "WHOSE general drill?" Are you really that dense? Surely you can't be.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Are you really that dense? Surely you can't be. << No, quite serious. You said you were a "believer." That's not specific, and certainly doesn't imply that you believed the same things I do. I'm sorry your personal experience was with irrational Christians, people who can't separate spiritual matters from, for want of a better term, "earthly" ones. Perhaps you should have tried a different church before deciding all of us were like that.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt OK, I admit I'm a little cranky today. Sorry. What I meant is that the basis of Christian belief, that is The Bible, is the "general drill". Forget about Catholic rituals, holy rollers, debates about the time of year when Christ was born, Mormon underwear, and blah blah blah. I'm talking about the basic tenants of the Bible that are universally accepted foundations for Christian beliefs. You know, things like Mary being a virgin when she gave birth to her son and that Jesus was a person who actually lived and performed miracles.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance "God had this whole Christ as our savior thing planned out before mankind existed, and told Prophets about it ages before He came. That's how the message got around BEFORE Jesus was ever born." I can't argue with this kind of irrationality, you're not my intended target with this video, Josh. I'm not expecting to ever change your mind. No offense, but you are how you are, I don't believe you're genetically made to be able to believe anything other than you do. Some people might watch it though and give a second thought to things they've always believed just because it was always right in front of their faces, but never gave much independent thought to the matter.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I'm talking about the basic tenants of the Bible that are universally accepted foundations for Christian beliefs.<< There are scads of Christians who do not take the Bible literally. It isn't necessary.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance If you can't believe what the bible tells you, then why believe in Christianity at all? Unless you have some sort of direct line to God that we don't know about.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "If you can't believe what the bible tells you, then why believe in Christianity at all? Unless you have some sort of direct line to God that we don't know about." Seriously? Many people like myself believe in God but let it go right there. No church, no bible, no anything but just a belief that there is a God and live by the Golden Rule.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance That's nice. But, you aren't bothered that you are choosing to believe in something that you have no basis for believing in other than some vague feeling inside? Would it be so bad if you looked at the evidence and admitted that it seems like there is actually no evidence that a God exists?
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance And who needs God to live by the Golde rule? You think because I'm atheist, that I don't?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "But, you aren't bothered that you are choosing to believe in something that you have no basis for believing in other than some vague feeling inside?" Sez you. "Would it be so bad if you looked at the evidence and admitted that it seems like there is actually no evidence that a God exists?" Would it be so bad if you admitted it seems like you have no real idea what you're talking about? You assume faaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrr too much. "And who needs God to live by the Golde rule? You think because I'm atheist, that I don't?" Holy crap. And in the next post you prove it. Whoever said this and what made you say it? I just said I tried to live like that. I made no comment any other way. Talk about a stretch.
