Originally Posted By lesmisfan i love this new concept art! I like the art for the lagoon show, looks very interested. Not to excited about midway mania, but from what i have been told, its somewhat different than the concept art, for example the cars will be able to hold eight people, four in the front and four in the back.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig As much as I believe that the "Carsland" attraction is probably not going to happen, I will be honest here and inform everyone that Marcie over at MouseInfo hinted that it is indeed for DCA, and that it is intended to be built in the area where Bountiful Valley Farm is now. No mention on whether it would replace A Bugs Land, too. As we all know, the bugs took over Bountiful Valley Farm when it became bleeding obvious that the farm was a joke, and the stronger (and presumably more popular) theme of Bugs Land was washed over the minimally themed farm. The farm area is not all that big. Part of the reason that it sucks. When it opened, it really looked more like Bountiful Valley Vegetable Plot, rather than a "farm". It makes me think that if it happens at all, the Cars thing will be much smaller than the wide ranging Test Track at Epcot. The Test Track building alone is bigger than the "farm", and the track exits out the building for a quarter mile high speed run before the vehicles re-enter the building again. Most certainly can't do that within DCA, so this Cars thing must be more like Rocket Rods was... tight, curvey track layout, not a lot of room to get up to real speed, and when you do get up to speed, you have to immediately slow down again because the next tight turn is coming up real soon. So this Cars thing is kinda like an Autopia paced attraction where the rider just sits there and has no control over the driving of it? Whatever it is... we'll find out for sure... maybe... (but I suspect not)... sometime in the decade of the two thousand teens.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros They will be able to bank the turns, since they are building a completely new track and not reusing an existing one, so it will be possible to maintain higher speeds through the turns (as seen in the art). Although they will have to slow down, it can still be thrilling. One of my favorite parts of TT is the sharp right turn after the first straight away, as it is really steep and sudden. Hopefully with the addition of theming near the track, it will help give the illusion that you are moving a lot faster than you really are (like at Big Thunder). Even with a small space, if the ride is layered over at least two stories (possibly three if one is underground, one at ground level, and parts that cross the ground level path), I don't think they will have any trouble getting it all to fit. They will have to be creative with the design, but that is what makes Disney attractions so much fun.
Originally Posted By TP2000 Interesting that almost all of this artwork is stuff heading to Anaheim or Asia. Toy Story Mania is the only thing going to Orlando. ANAHEIM: Carland (DCA) Toy Story Mania (DCA) Toy Story Live (Fantasyland Theater) Lagoon Spectacular (DCA) ASIA: Monsters Inc. (Tokyo Disneyland) Pirate Adventure (Hong Kong Disneyland) Urban Center (Singapore) New Park (China) ORLANDO: Toy Story Mania (MGM) The pendulum seems to have swung the other way again, and the major project tap is going dry for Orlando.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I wouldn't count on all of those being in those places (unless you know something that I don't). My guess for Toy Story Live is that it will be a traveling show to tour the country. It would also be nice to see something return to the FL Theater, since that would kick the princesses out, but I wouldn't bet on it. I also have no idea where the urban entertainment area would go, but Singapore seems like it might be a bit of a stretch. I don't think I've heard any rumors of them building anything there, so I'm not sure where that came from. The new park could very well be in China, but it could also go pretty much anywhere else (other than Tokyo), so I wouldn't bet on that one either. But of course, this is all just speculation so unless you know something that I don't, your guess is as good as mine.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig >>>They will have to be creative with the design, but that is what makes Disney attractions so much fun.<<< In the distant past, and hopefully in the future, but not recently. A few examples... Past successes: Storybookland at Disneyland, Casey Junior runs over the whole area and intertwines extensively with the setting, and the Storybookland Canal boats underneath. Autopia track was reconfigured into a three-attraction stack with a complex layering of Monorail over Autopia over Submarine caverns, and later, PeopleMover was added and intertwined into all the others. Recent blunders: A Bugs Land, especially the missed opportunity with Heimlick's Choo Choo Train, where you go through the whole ride in less time that it takes to unload and load the next train after you, so you're always stacked up behind it waiting to go into the station. If Bugs Land was designed by more enlightened folks, Heimlick's would have weaved around, up, over and through the entire land, adding movement and energy to the whole place, as well as being a ride itself. The way they did it, it's just a real dinky, dumb kiddy ride, plunked down on the patch they prepared for it. Another example of "plunked down" without really successfully relating to its surroundings is DCA TOT. It's just there, a huge ride that is just a ride. The exterior grounds and walkways are very weak, and nothing was done with the surroundings leading up to the building to help convey the story. It's just one huge ride, sitting there. It could have been plunked down anywhere for that matter, for what they did with it. Just goes to show that depending on who's in charge, Disney can, and has, blown it big time. Lets hope the fools that called the shots in recent years are all gone and that the new additions harken back to the thematic integration and creativity of the past imagineers.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> ... if the ride is layered over at least two stories (possibly three if one is underground, one at ground level, and parts that cross the ground level path), I don't think they will have any trouble getting it all to fit. << I was thinking the same thing. The rumors are running strong on 'cars' coming to DCA, but it's a real space hog. There's room for a nice long straightaway behind the hyperion theater. If they configured it as "out and back" they could stack the two tracks vertically. But the view would be terrible, so it would likely have to be indoors with sets - which isn't so bad considering that the close proximity will give a much greater sensation of speed than just trundling along next to the traffic on harbor blvd. It would need a turnabout approximately where the barely used 'hollywood & dine' building sits now. There's also the "airspace" above the transformers next to TOT. There's no reason they couldn't put a showbuilding there with the transformers on the ground level and available space above. The plot is sandwiched in between large buildings all around - TOT, the hyperion, and the side of the animation exhibit building, so a big bulky structure could fit in there nicely. The concept art implies that there is to be a themed courtyard outside the load/unload, with dining and shopping locations. That could easily fit into the farm area, with the enclosed track sprawling out along the existing backstage thoroughfares. The art also shows a portion that appears outdoors, making a banked 180 degree turn around some desert landscaping with cactus, going under under a pedestrian trestle. Just a guess, but this could be some redesigned 'pacific wharf' area. That area has always been a sorry excuse for a "land" anyway - it's more like a half-closed food court - and nobody would miss it if it were repurposed. The new "water spectacular" is another curious item. Perhaps they're planning on reconfiguring the sightlines around paradise lagoon, because the way it is now is poorly suited for allowing crowds to get a good vantage. I hope that the plan is to offer it "in the round" - when a nighttime spectacle is centric to one view (Believe), it creates too many crowd control problems - everybody wants to see it from the "prime location". I also hope that it incorporates live performers in some way. The bellagio fountain show is impressive but ultimately lacking in charm and humanity. It seems oddly impersonal - cold and distant. I don't want to applaud fountains alone - they're lifeless mechanical pumps and pipes. It's like clapping at a movie - the film in the projector doesn't care whether you liked it or not.
Originally Posted By koobar <I also have no idea where the urban entertainment area would go, but Singapore seems like it might be a bit of a stretch. I don't think I've heard any rumors of them building anything there, so I'm not sure where that came from.> <a href="http://www.channelnewsasia.com" target="_blank">http://www.channelnewsasia.com</a> /stories/singaporelocalnews/view/229204/1/.html in addition, universal recently announced a theme park in the same vicinity.
Originally Posted By lesmisfan i was kinda wondering if maybe the new carland will possibly go in the route 66 area. only because it was said that john lasseter wanted to get rid of most of the route 66 area including the jelly fish ride, mullohand madness, and orange stinger to make way for a cars ride and a san fransico expansion as well.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Cars will be going in DCA. It's a done deal, although I doubt very much it'll be announced this week. But it's more than just the E-Ticket. There will be other attractions and a dining component (retail too, I'm sure). The Steve Davison show is for DCA ... and I don't know much about it, but I know his track record (which is better than anyone currently in a creative position at Disney except for Joe Rohde), so I'd expect to be wowed. I'd hope they use classic Disney music and themes too instead of the recent tradition of insipid moppets singing about dreams, wishes and magic. That regional entertainment rendering looks like what Disney has in mind for places like Singapore and China. The Pirates stuff is exactly what Al Lutz told ya'll about a while ago ... HKDL's planned massive Adventureland build-out. Nothing you saw will be headed for DL and/or WDW. They aren't big priorities right now at all. And I do worry when I see that much great art and plans that it's 1990 all over again ... I remember the Disney Decade vividly. Still have many of the press releases and art. Maybe a third of it got built, much of it in watered down form. So take it with caution.
Originally Posted By bean I haven't read all the posts but i am sure that someone already mentioned it but here it goes Carland -- The next proposed land for DCA which will take over part of the Farm area and timon lot at DCA which should open around 2010 and include more than one attraction including the testrack concpet you see on the art The water spectacular -- proposed water, light, fire show for Dca's lagoon. Start date of 2009 Toys Story Mania -- originally proposed interactive attraction for DCA which will also be cloned in MGM. Opening date 2008 Toy Story Live -- Concpet art for a proposed show for Fantasyland theatre at Disneyland. Concept art for new theme park inspired land from the Little mermaid -- Proposed for international park. Possibly Hong Kongs second gate tentative opening year of 2012 Urban entertainment center -- proposed indoor fully contained themed park for international locations with limited land.
Originally Posted By bean I forgot the pirate themed land -- Proposed replica of Tortuga island for future expansion of Adventureland in Hong Kong Disneyland. project would be next in line after Its a small World. Possibly opening around the time the second gate opens. Main attraction being the pirates of Carribean attraction but completely themed to the movie and completely revamp to have a bit more thrills than any of the other Pirates attractions.
Originally Posted By bean ok i just read many of the posts. Just to clear something up... Disneyland is approximately 85 acres DCA has the room to expand to aproximately 80 acres. So eventually DCA will be the same as Disneyland. There is plenty of growth still for DCA most of it in the timon lot. The timon lot by itself is 20+ acres of usable land for expansion. The main attraction for Carland (the one pictured in the artwork) would be built in a way that would use up valuable space and interact properly with walkways, bridges, shops eateries and the other attractions destined for this land. After the land is built there will still be plenty of land left in the timon lot for future expansion and growth. Just for reference, it is possible to make a duplicate clone of testrack in the timon lot and still have large areas for expansion. One thing that needs to be considered though is the the attraction for CARS will use the same technology but not necessaryly the samelayout or show room. Testrack was built within an already built show room from a previous attraction and has lots of unecessary space used. A good exmaple is the exit of testracks car showroom.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Playing around on Google Earth shows that the Test Track layout would actually fit with extra space in Timon. The building itself if approximately the same size as Flik's Fun Fair, and the outdoor portion is approximately the lenght of the entrance of Flik's to the Winery, making a lap around the Winery, and back for a final lap most of the way around Flik's. Although it could fit, it would certainly not be a smart move for expansion in that layout. Even though DCA has the potential to grow to close to the same size as DL, I doubt it will ever have as many attractions. Even if you compare DL now to DCA (which is approximately 75% of DL's size), it does not have a proportional numbet of attractions. Due to modern building codes, ADA, how attractions are designed now, and just the general layout of the park, I would be very surprised if the attraction count in DCA ever really approached that in DL (or even MK for that matter, since it has fewer than DL).
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Yes, but Disneyland is going on 52 years, so it sort of defaults to the most attractions. DCA will have a long way to go to get there, and probably never will. That's not to say that in 10 years time, DCA won't be a great park and looked more favorably on when compared to Disneyland.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Even though DCA has the potential to grow to close to the same size as DL, I doubt it will ever have as many attractions. << Which is why I think it is so utterly absurd there's talk of DVC units and another hotel within the current Timon Lot space. - And any retail or restaurants they may have in mind. This kind of planning and thinking ONLY boxes them in .. and makes necessary space for future attractions extremely difficult. Anything other than attractions needs to be thought of OUTSIDE the boundaries of DCA's general space.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Carland -- The next proposed land for DCA which will take over part of the Farm area and timon lot at DCA which should open around 2010 and include more than one attraction including the testrack concpet you see on the art." So, DCA will eventually have not one, but TWO themed areas completely themed to Pixar films? I guess I might as well get on the bandwagon with the Pixar-ization of the DLR and quit complaining. It ain't easy though. "Even though DCA has the potential to grow to close to the same size as DL, I doubt it will ever have as many attractions." It hardly matters, though, because DCA will never have as many visitors either.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig I for one would not mind at all scrapping the whole California thing and officially retheming and rebranding the park into "Pixarland". Anything that's worth keeping in DCA can be rethemed and re-storied into something from Pixar. Anything new can be Pixar. Pixar produces fantastic worlds and themes and characters, and I would love to spend long hours and days inside a highly detailed, immersive park that recreates those themes. And the added benefit might be that it would ease off the pressure to make everything new that goes into Disneyland Pixar based, therefore maybe the ongoing "Fantasylandization" of every other land in Disneyland might be reversed.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Why stop there? Let's just Pixarize the entire property. The carefully crafted themes and stories around the resort that have long been established can just be tossed aside for the latest in digitized toon characters.
Originally Posted By mrichmondj <-- Playing armchair Imagineer here. Thematically, I'd rather see the desert mesas of Carland wrapped into the Route 66 area near Paradise Pier. It just seems to make more sense in that area to me. Heck, bulldoze the whole Route 66 area and replace it with the Cars version of the same thing. I'm sure once you've torn down the Mulholland Madness, Dinosaur shop, generic Burger shop, and generic Pizza Shop there's some room to work with. Heck, tear down the Paradise Pier Hotel and build a show building across the street for Cars themed vehicles to zoom around in. I'm not real thrilled about this whole Cars themed world, but at least put it somewhere that it makes sens. Red-hued mesas of the desert southwest seem like an odd transition in between the wharf area and Hollywood, which is sort of where this is rumored to go. We've also got the exact same scenery over in Frontierland at BTMRR -- I'd just as soon keep that landscape in DL than recreate it somewhere else.
