Originally Posted By DAR The bottom line regarding the stimulus is there needs to be a focus on items that essential right now.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt No one can disagree with that. However, to ridicule volcano monitoring, when Jindal probably hasn't the slightest clue as to whether it's something urgently needed or not, was just plain stupid.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Wow, I guess the speech was THAT bad. Damage control time: <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/03/jindal.damage.control/index.html?iref=topnews" target="_blank">http://edition.cnn.com/2009/PO...=topnews</a>
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder It wasn't what he said, but how he said it. Unreal. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/02/lkl.jindal/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...dex.html</a>
Originally Posted By Mr X Unreal certainly does describe the right wingers of late.. Or perhaps, surreal? I really believe a schism is at hand between the level headed ones and the rabid ones. I just can't imagine this continuing on without the entire group losing cohesion! (in other words, I know a lot of reasonable, smart conservatives who are being disenfranchised by the kook side of the party!)
Originally Posted By Mr X I wonder what Ronald Reagan would have had to say about Palin, Jindal, Hannity, Limbaugh, and Coulter... (interestingly enough, out of the five names "Limbaugh" is the only one that doesn't give me an automated warning about a potential misspelling. Hmm...) Obama. (but Obama still does...) Gingrich. (no misspelling warning...interesting) Clinton. Nixon. Cheney. Kissinger. Weinburger. (all okay..til Weinburger lol) Biden. (Joe ain't okay either...yet)
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <It wasn't what he said, but how he said it. Unreal.> Well, certainly the Mr. Rogers/Kenneth the Page tone didn't help. But it also doesn't help when you deliberately tell falsehoods: <a href="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/jindals_office_tries_to_spin_katrina_story_digs_it.php" target="_blank">http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi...s_it.php</a> "It looks like Bobby Jindal's staff has been trying to do some damage limitation on that phony Katrina story -- with some help from Politico. But it's blowing up in their faces." (snip) "In other words, Jindal only heard from Lee later that this had happened. He didn't actually see it happening and played no role in it himself. We posted a few hours ago, noting that Jindal's office had admitted the story was false. But then things got weirder: Jindal's people went back for yet more. " (snip) "In fact, that whole thing about Jindal overhearing Lee giving an interview? It's now gone from Smith's post (though, thanks to the dangers of syndication, it remains here) as if Jindal's office never said it. There's more. Amazingly, Sellers then argued to Smith that there is no difference between Jindal's original story as told Tuesday night, and the one her office finally settled on this afternoon. And even more amazingly, Smith added another update in which he transcribed that argument without comment, as if it were reasonable. Then the capper: With Jindal's office now satisfied with the third iteration of its story -- a version that clearly acknowledged that the first version, told Tuesday night to millions, was false -- Teepell went back to Smith with the following comment: "This is liberal blogger B.S. The story is clear." So they're trying to say that being caught in a lie is "liberal blogger spin" - and the dittoheads will no doubt believe it.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Hey, just went to that link Dabob and its quite funny how all the conspiracy theories the posters got going on over lol. Some are just saying he made the whole thing up or took one small truth of it and exaggerated the thing so badly, they all believed it happened the way they say it did. Honestly I dont care eitherway, I just thought it was funny when I reread what he said in his original speech over it, I litterally heard in my head the way he spoke that night lol. I mean, a 12 minute speech and this guy entire future seems to be on the line over it, weird. One thing for sure, he's no longer the 'it' boy to go against Obama in '12 I guess.
Originally Posted By mawnck <------- thought the response was hilarious and well worth ridiculing, but doubts it will diminish Jindal's political prospects any.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Me either. I already brought up the Clinton comparison - the first speech he made that most Americans saw was also terrible and widely panned. Four years later he was elected President. Don't count Jindal out of anything yet. (But keep lampooning him - he deserves it, especially for the lie.)
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan The difference is that when Clinton gave that long-winded speech at the '88 DNC, he immediately got in on the lampooning himself. He went on Johnny Carson (and Johnny introduced him with a hysterical, long-winded intro that went on and on and on). Clinton's ability to own up to his own misstep in that instance helped turn things around. By contrast, Jindal has been rather defensive about it. His chief defenders are Hannity and Limbaugh, who defended him humorlessly and clumsily. (Limbaugh even throwing a bit of an on-air tantrum about it, angrily declaring he didn't ever want to hear from anyone who thought Jindal's performance was bad. Then Limbaugh ran to his room, weeping, and flung himself onto the bed, screaming into his pillow.) Jindal political future: Not over, but murky at this point.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 LOL! Yes, Jindal probably could have helped himself with a little self-lampooning.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Could it be that the defining difference between liberals and conservatives is a sense of humor?
Originally Posted By DAR <<Could it be that the defining difference between liberals and conservatives is a sense of humor?>> What little and none? Moderates are much much much funnier. But probably because we're not as bitter.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Could it be that the defining difference between liberals and conservatives is a sense of humor?<< If only ...
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "What little and none? Moderates are much much much funnier. But probably because we're not as bitter." Good observation. I live in San Francisco, and the liberal fringe can be a humorless bunch.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "True believers" of whatever stripe who take themselves too seriously and see the other side as the enemy rather than people who see things differently can indeed be humorless. Joyless prigs, even.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <But it also doesn't help when you deliberately tell falsehoods> Oh brother. The President is spinning up a tornado, and you're claiming that Gov Jindal lied because a few liberals couldn't follow the timeline of a story?
Originally Posted By Mr X There was more than one lie (that one you reference is a doozy though...I followed the timeline just fine).
