Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << If they nominate him <McCain>, he would win against Hillary or Obama, certainly. >> Unless big business can pull off a miracle to save the economy in 2008, I don't see any Republican nominee having a shot. Voters have already shifted their focus from the Iraq war to the deteriorating economy and seem poised to vote their pocket books in November. It will be hard for any Republican to distance themselves from the current administration's economic policies enough to save them from voter backlash against the stagnating wages, inflation, and current housing crisis that have developed here at the end of the Bush administration.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Unfortunately, you may be right about black - for now. But I think a woman can win - there's a lot of women out there.
Originally Posted By jonvn I would like to be wrong. When the election comes, and I am wrong, I will be totally happy to admit it. But I don't think I'll be wrong.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Which is not to take away or downplay his lifetime of honor and integrity. Just that those traits don't get you very far in the republican party. < obviously they don't get you far in the Dem party either - reviewing the top candidates... atleast McCainmade it this far. As far as age - so he's a one term president - likely. I remember the same concerns about Reagan, I like how that turned out. He may be my grandfathers candidate, but the new wave of candidates does nothing for me -- newer not always better
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I would like to be wrong. When the election comes, and I am wrong, I will be totally happy to admit it. But I don't think I'll be wrong< I'd have no problem voting for either - however Obama wouldn't get my vote regardless - I will vote for Hillary if she is the best choice left standing - we'll see.... that could be the case
Originally Posted By JohnS1 I never think of Obama as black. He's more sort of...hmmm... burnt sienna or something.
Originally Posted By Kimber McCain, Romney, Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Thompson, Kucinich, Richardson, Rudy or Huckabee. Iowa is an exercise in public relations and philosophical semantics - and essentially meaningless when Bloomberg and his personal fortune enters the fray - as I expect him to do in a week or so - we may have a three party race. This is just the first stop on the road to the white house. As of today - Hillary has my vote. Kim
Originally Posted By friendofdd C'mon, MD. There are probably several no good reasons to vote for her.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 One day before Iowa, and if you put a gun to my head and asked me to predict the outcome in either of the first two contests for either party, the only one I'd feel remotely comfortable about would be predicting McCain will take NH. The other three (Dem IA, Rep IA, Dem NH) are as close as I can ever remember. And I might even be wrong about Rep NH.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I can think of one good reason to vote for Hillary -- Obama ! As for the one aforementioned ticket thought -- McCain/Lieberman....I'd have to noodle on that one a bit longer - but there is something about that that seems better than most choices - eventhough it would never happen -
Originally Posted By DAR <<I can think of one good reason to vote for Hillary -- Obama ! >> I can think of one good reason to vote for any of the candidates and it's ummm. Well there's that one that.... I like what that one had to say. Oh who are we kidding this is such a weak group on both sides that I can certainly say that I'll probably vote for who's ever running on the Libertarian side of things. And that's throwing my vote away then so be it.
Originally Posted By Maxxdadd Voting against someone else is not a good reason to vote for someone. Writing in "Donald Duck" would be a better choice.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Voting against someone else is not a good reason to vote for someone. >>> That depends on how bad you think the person you want to vote against is, and what the chances of voting for another person were to affect the election.
Originally Posted By jonvn "What's your take on the other side, Jon? " Don't know yet. I think maybe Rudy. I don't think Huckabee will get it. He might. People will simply register and vote en masse against obama or clinton if they get the nomination. They have no chance of winning in November.
Originally Posted By Kimber After tonight's debate I doubt that Edwards will make it to Super Tuesday - he kept banging away on the same old lame old key and went quickly flat and he didn't get the financial bump coming out of Iowa that he expected - Obama got knocked off his high horse a bit and had his integrity tarnished with no - NO - reply. He will implode under the weight of his own expectations. While I like Richardson, he'll likely drop out when the money runs out, and that'll be before Super Tuesday as well - it's going to come down to Obama and Hillary. Hilary took every hit Obama and Edwards threw and turned it to her advantage - experience over flash - experience over style - experience over generalities - I want a President who can "be" the President on day one - one who walks into the Oval Office and doesn't have to ask where the bathroom is. Substance over style every time. They all talk about change - look at the stage - all men - doesn't matter how old, doesn't matter what color, doesn't matter what they did, or whom they took money from or where they served or when or why - doesn't matter. Putting a woman in the White House is the single, most profound change America could make to effect real change in Washington. As to the republicans - well Rudy's too damaged and the fundie zealots can't vote for him and a republican can't win without them - McCain's too old and too unstable, looking at him is like looking at Delayed Stress delayed - Romney can't decide what he believes or why he believes it and that's aside from the lingering "morman question" and the religious right's unwillingness to support him - Thompson is a complete waste of time - Paul has some points, but he's got no plan B - as to Huckabee, the last thing we need is another southern governor/christian ideologue. The fun has just begun, Kim
